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2/5 KJ on the button. 2/5 KJ on the button.

12-31-2018 , 02:07 PM
Villian 1: Middle aged woman in 50s. Played vs on 1/2 the previous night, where she seemed a big winner, won a few small pots off her but nothing big. Seems very nitty preflop and usually plays premium hands fairly straightup preflop. Have not caught bluffing yet although a few hands I have wondered - also seems like she will steal from the button some. Fairly high Cbet % when preflop raises.
~1600 stack

Hero: ~$620 stack

Saw her stack AK for 2k with AA on an A9X 3bet pot where she flatted a $175 3bet that had multiple callers on an initial 35$ raise from her.

She raises to $20 UTG
Hero Calls withKJs from button
BB (unknown passive player) calls.

Pot ($63)

Flop comes K73 rainbow
Villian Bets $45
Hero calls
Big blind folds

Pot ($153)
J comes on turn giving me two pair. think it completes the rainbow.
k73J rainbow
Villian Bets $55
Hero raises to $150 (I might have only made it only 130 or 140 here, don't quite remember)
Villian thinks for 20 seconds and calls

Pot ($453)
River: 10
k73J10

Villian Checks.
Hero bets $100
Villian shoves

Hero thinks for 45 seconds, but with top two pair and half stack committed and partially blocking the two sets she would most likely have that beat decides to call for $300 more.

Advice on all streets welcome.
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12-31-2018 , 02:30 PM
fold AP even with your LOL small sizing against described villain.

bigger river to get max from AA KQ/AK.
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12-31-2018 , 02:46 PM
ugh tough spot on the river; why did you bet so small OTR?

sizing up would avoid this spot all together; seems like you only lose to 33,77 , and AQ if she somehow called the turn with that

could also go bigger on the turn, I would go at least 100 more
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12-31-2018 , 02:47 PM
Pre is prob a fold with AQs, so KJs is a very easy muck
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12-31-2018 , 02:57 PM
This was my first time playing 2/5 and I realize a few hands I played I was not betting enough based on pot %
(I've been beating 1/2 for about a year and decided to move up)

What is appropriate turn raise size? 210-225?

I agree given villians small preflop raising range this is probably a fold pre.

As played I think the flop is just a call? I can't see any advantage to raising.

River sizing was supposed to be a small value bet. What would be an appropriate amount? 175 bet/fold?

Last edited by jeffpm07; 12-31-2018 at 03:11 PM.
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12-31-2018 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by timmay28
Pre is prob a fold with AQs, so KJs is a very easy muck
lol what? you're folding AQs to a single raise on the button? I know its UTG open but jeez
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12-31-2018 , 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffpm07
This was my first time playing 2/5 and I realize a few hands I played I was not betting enough based on pot %
(I've been beating 1/2 for about a year and decided to move up)

What is appropriate turn raise size? 210-225?

I agree given villians small preflop raising range this is probably a fold pre.


I would go between 165-215
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12-31-2018 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by tmo1120
lol what? you're folding AQs to a single raise on the button? I know its UTG open but jeez
shy of 125 bbs eff ya i’m not giving much action to a total nit range unless the blinds are loose
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12-31-2018 , 05:03 PM
^whoa

So what are you raising OTB vs this UTG player and all folds in between?

Nothing I assume, since we are debating a fold with AQo???
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12-31-2018 , 05:40 PM
AQ plays so bad vs a true nit

And even worse when we’re not deep

Funny but not terribly surprising that this sounds shocking
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12-31-2018 , 06:51 PM
My god at folding AQs on the button here
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12-31-2018 , 07:42 PM
we can prob call with a range of:
66-QQ, AQs+, AKo
and 3bet:
AA, KK for value, and some random trash for bluff: AQo, A5s, AJs


AP i like a raise on the turn. with her betting 55 into 150, a call puts 210 in the pot. so we prob want to put 140 on top. so raising to 200 ott looks good.

AP just shove the riv to target AK
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12-31-2018 , 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmay28
AQ plays so bad vs a true nit

And even worse when we’re not deep

Funny but not terribly surprising that this sounds shocking
Yea but OP said she seems nitty preflop; this doesn't mean assume AK/QQ+ ; I think she could have 88+/AJ+ ; maybe KQs, JQs
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12-31-2018 , 08:47 PM
Interesting one.

With no callers vs an UTG raise vs the player u described I just fold a lot unless we have like 1k to start.

If multiple callers I’m inclined to 3 bet here with good blockers and dead money in the pot

Flop bet is interesting and large. Why did she bet so big on such a dry flop I wonder

Turn I prob raise to like 200 and jam any non ace River when checked to

River: have to be okay with getting it in here
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12-31-2018 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tmo1120
Yea but OP said she seems nitty preflop; this doesn't mean assume AK/QQ+ ; I think she could have 88+/AJ+ ; maybe KQs, JQs
Here’s a question that’ll sound like it came from left field...

If our V is THAT much of a nit pre, how often are they planning a L/RR with AA/KK? ...instead of just plain old opening from UTG. I don’t fuggin know how they think - if they think at all.

So, as silly as it sounds, can we discount KK+ if they open from UTG? Since nits LOVE to L/RR and have the “let’s lay the trappppp” type of mindset.

So, sounds counter-intuitive, but just something that crossed my mind after a few glasses of wine while 2+2ing during a bathroom break

That said, WTF are they opening with if they are a true nit and do not have KK+??
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01-01-2019 , 12:39 AM
Results: villian shows AQ, hero calls it quits for the day knowing his crappy turn raise size shot himself in the foot.

Villian is probably more competent for than I gave credit for reviewing hands in hind site.

My raise gave almost breakeven odds if villian assumes an ace is an out, but it wasn't and villian only had 4 outs showed Aq and scooped a $1250 pot.

(I showed a bluff to villian earlier which might have factored into turn call)
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01-01-2019 , 01:25 AM
she still made a bad call on the turn , she only had 4 outs ; being deep made her want to gamble but she's giving up on a lot of rivers I think

No I don't think we really discount KK+ here bc that's not a play that only nits have in their game; I limp KK+ UTG sometimes if its full ring and I think somebody will open , especially if straddled, ( a lot of button straddles in these games ) ; so I wouldn't really discount it too much but you could discount it slightly
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01-01-2019 , 01:43 AM
Lol at folding AQ OTB to an UTG raise.

As played, your turn raise was waaaaay too small. It should be like 200, obviously shoving river. Unfortunate that she rivered her guts got to the nuts, but that's what you get for basically minraising turn.
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