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09-24-2016 , 10:58 PM

maplestar

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 541

Effective stacks are $1200~

9 handed
Hero $1500 - TAG with a clean image.
Villain $1200 - Tight regular old guy in this room.A bit passive but was seen raise $15 with A8s from UTG a few hands ago and check down with two pairs on river after facing big c/r on the turn. No history between him and hero.

Villain UTG to $15
CO short Stack($400) calls
Hero calls with KcQc on BT.
SB calls.
flop($60): Jc 9h 7c. Villian bets $35, co calls,hero thought about raising but chose to flat call.
Turn($165): 6c. Villian bets $150,co calls, hero raises to $500, villian shoves all in ,co folds,hero?

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09-24-2016 , 11:27 PM

ylac

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 157

I would 3b pre if he's opening so wide UTG. Seems like a puke fold OTT.

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09-24-2016 , 11:36 PM

wj94

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 7,951

Don't put in half your stack with the second nuts and fold. 3b pre too.

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09-25-2016 , 01:34 AM

Amanaplan

acanalpanamA

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 5,628

Call this turn, riv becomes more clear.

It's also far less appealing when you have Qc ldo.

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09-25-2016 , 06:09 AM

Alsi

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 361

ok Jc is on the board so leaving:
AT985432 of clubs

so would he open UTG with A5s or AT/A9s? you said he did with A8s...AP fold because:

- he is capable of openning with A5/8/9/Ts utg so it hits his range
- his barrel on OTF then OTT to 3 then 2 players is pretty strong. a nearly PSB OTT is obviously value bet against 2P+ to get the money in..

your flush is pretty face up here.

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09-25-2016 , 04:30 PM

maplestar

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 541

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Originally Posted by wj94

Don't put in half your stack with the second nuts and fold. 3b pre too.

He is still very tight preflop. Why should we 3bet vs UTG range from a regular tight player? I agree we are hard pressed to fold at this point after putting 1/2 Stack in.Flat calling his big turn bet sounds correct.

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09-25-2016 , 05:38 PM

DeathCabForTootie

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,722

Flatting OTB is fine as is 3!

Flop is a great spot to raise big.

AP never folding. Godblessya if you're donking the turn with the nut flush, I'm paying you off. If this guy is capable of opening suited aces up front he's probably got all suited connectors in his range as well as an occasional overplay of Ac9x and AcJx

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09-25-2016 , 07:58 PM

Jarretman

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,937

Pre is fine. I actually think call slightly > 3bet. But 3bet is fine also.

Flop is fine.

Turn might not be a terrible spot to overcall. I think I'm just calling turn.

As played... ugh gross. I know myself, and if I took this line, I'm not folding in game. But I really doubt he has anything except the nutter butter. I call with Kc8c in this spot FWIW. With this villain description I really doubt he's bluffing with the naked Ac.

I guess there's a small chance he's overplaying AcAx. That's the only hand I could see him having that's not the nuts.

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09-26-2016 , 12:35 AM

johnnyBuz

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I'm in the raise flop camp. Villain throws out a stabby looking half pot bet into a field of four on a board that hits your calling range way harder than his UTG raising range. With two overs, a nut gutter and the second nut flush draw we've got loads of equity right now and maximum FE. A raise to $150-175 carries plenty of FE given the action and when combined with our hand equity seems like a no brainer. An added benefit is we can often fold out the nut flush draw with a well timed raise by making it prohibitive for him to continue.

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09-26-2016 , 12:51 AM

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Alsi

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 361

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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie

there are way more combos of A5s+ than sc: sc are lomited to 89s and 9Ts.

assuming he would not open 45s utg?...

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09-26-2016 , 08:03 AM

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DeathCabForTootie

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Originally Posted by Alsi

there are way more combos of A5s+ than sc: sc are lomited to 89s and 9Ts.

assuming he would not open 45s utg?...

My thinking at the time was nobody fast plays the nut flush. Given the combo work, the best line might be to raise fold. Good catch.

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09-26-2016 , 05:42 PM

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br3nt00

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,664

Jesus it's so hard to fold here... If you give him Ax flushes and AA and sets what's our equity vs pot odds?

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