Hero($700)White late 20s been playing tag or so I think.

Villain($800)White late 20s calls too much preflop limps too much doesn't isolate but not too horrible, knows when hes behind so somewhat passive.

Villain2($425)White 40s lag talking smack, sees many flops.

Table is soft and there is virtually no one attacking the limpers or 3 betting

Hero picks up JK utg+1 raises to 20 villains call in order

Flop($60) 10Q7 Hero leads out for $45 Villain 1 calls Villain 2 folds

Turn($150)Q I put him on a queen so am expecting him to fire big if I check so I lead out small $25 to try and get odds to draw. He raises to 100 and I call.

River($350)A what would you do here and how would you have played the previous streets? Results en route.

Dont like you scaling back your bet on the turn. I hate betting less on the turn than you did on the flop bc it says out loud exactly what happened: your hand got worse. Very easy to put you on a draw. Id prob check/call.

Id rather c/c or bet bigger.

River is prob a c/c too, not sure you wanna play forvstacks on a paired board

Hate the turn bet. In general, reducing the absolute betsize from flop to turn looks weak to everyone.

As played, I lead $175-200 on river and fold to a raise

I would have preferred to c/r the flop or if he checks back then we get a free card, I don't know if that's the best play but it's just personally what I do. Someone more established will likely give you a better answer for flop. Turn I like what you did.

River I think you should lead for half pot and fold to a shove.

Check calling turn.

Bet folding river.

I don't like your idea of betting small to induce a raise on the turn....don't like this logic on a paired board.

Flop was played fine....now c/c turn and river. If he has a Q believe he'll be betting both streets. Only hand I would be really worried about would be AQ though....he's still betting both streets with Qx though. By betting the river...some V's will still raise you on river if you bet out thinking Qx is good so believe this will put you in a tough spot.

I like betting the turn, but not 1/6th pot. Bet like 1/2 - 2/3 pot. It's a great card to barrel, he has to fold all his hands that aren't Qx or sets, and we haz outs if called.

Dude just jam river. Villain has a 3/4 pot bet behind and a calling range of {QJ, KQ, boats} puts you at 38%. When has a LLSNL villain ever folded trips?

God you people are so weaktight.

I don't like betting the turn since V's range is pretty much Qx in this spot and he can raise us off our equity and our draw. I also agree with OSUTexan, I feel this opponent can raise us all in if we bet the river with KQ and QJ... though since we have both a K and J in our hand it is less likely V has KQ or QJ in this spot.

Effective stacks are $700....how does villain have 3/4 pot bet?? Hero has $535 left on river (villain 1 has him covered) and there's $350 in the pot. Now that you understand the scenario correctly...still jamming??

I disagree, I think his flop calling range is much wider than just Qx.

This is a wet, two-tone, two-broadway flop with tons of straight possibilities. Middle pairs, strong draws, and weak draws can all be floating here. Villain is described in OP as "somewhat passive." That widens his range.

Make a real bet on the turn because it folds out a ton of stuff that's beating us, and fold to a raise.

You could think about jamming flop as an option. It sounds weak (and we always like to imagine ourselves as pkr gods with mammoth skill edge! so why would we play for stacks in a "marginal" spot), but consider:

1. Many a donk at that level will see the draw heavy flop (or ignore it) and call with hands as weak as AT or JJ, so we aren't really isolating ourselves against sets and 2pr. V1 is folding no matter what and V2 might give you action.
2. In the rare case of 2pr we are flipping, and only 40% dogs to sets.
3. Even as favorites we don't mind a fold in that spot.
4. Even though KK or AA prob would 3B, we are flipping with them which isn't so bad.
5. We're favored over any TP hand w/o N flush draw.
6. Str8 and (non nut) Flush draws can suck our dicks

Then again, I'm a gambler and I win races...maybe not the right play, but against certain V's esp. in some of these ridonkulously weak 2/5 games (Harrah's Cherokee in NC comes to mind), it has some +EV merit. Just a thought

Oh. Uhh, nvm. I thought we were up against the shorter guy

Well, given that, I $250/fold. Gives me correct odds to charge his trip hands the max, assuming a minimum number of them (QJ/KQ).

The problem with this is that we're so deep otf. Villain might get scared of a $700 overbet. 700 bucks is a lot of money to put in with AT.

I do think we need to play this fast, because Q draws and OESDs aren't paying us off, and obviously A draws crush us. So, I'm overbetting the flop for $90, planning to smallball the turn for $120 and set up a pot-sized jam if I hit the river.

If Villain is "somewhat passive" that would actually narrow his range as compared to an action player. You can guarantee he's not on a heart draw considering you have the K and J of hearts and he also raised you on the turn.

So your plan is to bet bigger on turn into a passive villain that called a large flop bet and then fold when he raises (highly likely holding a Q which is the most common scenario as most people would assume)??? Don't like it at all....at low stakes NLHE, you're better off hitting your hand first then getting paid rather trying to outplay passive players showing strength on paired boards....just -EV. Let him bet his Qx....and in the rare chance he's bluffing...let him continue.

There's a strong argument for bet/folding river but I wouldn't want to get blown off the hand by some villain raising Qx thinking it's the nuts when an A falls on river.

Turn bet is horrible. You should bet 50-70% of the pot and if raised fold. If he calls, then c/c the river. This is a very simple hand for any 2/5 grinder to understand. If you bet 150$ or so on the river and he raises you have to fold. So you might as well check and when he bets 130-200 call. This way he has bluffs and weaker hands such as trip qs in his range that you will beat. If he has a full house then so be it. It happens. Simple hand, if anyone bets river here they need to revaluate their game.

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Fine, then let's expand the discussion a bit. What draw hitting cards should we be leading out on the river? A non Q heart? A nine? The A of hearts? Which ones should we c/c on? All of them, leaving ourselves at the mercy of a passive player to Vbet our hand for us?

I'd b/f any heart other than the Q, any Ace and any 9. I'd x/f anything else. I have no x/c range whatsoever vs a villain described as passive.

turn bet is bad.

pre flop is fine, flop is fine, turn is bad obv, river you have to bet.

His range is probably Q-X, boats (unlikely), and some chance of a bluff due to our weak turn lead (if we had bet larger and he raised, we could reduce the chance of a bluff).

Against Q-X, EV bet = EV check/call, assuming he'll always bet Q-X, assuming we'll fold to a raise if we bet, and assuming he won't fold Q-X if we bet.

Against boats, EV bet = EV check/call again. We'll lose a bet either way.

Against bluffs, EV check/call > EV bet obviously.

Overall, I think I'm check/calling here.

I lead out on the river for $200 and he just calls with 1010

Like I said, against boats, there's not much of a difference in betting or checking. Since you'll check/call if he bets and bet/fold if you bet.

Same logic for Q-X, though he might be a bit more likely to check behind on river.

The tie breaker is the bluff portion of his range. Check/calling is best against bluffs, so I think check/call river > bet/fold.

That's definitely a valid way of playing it. The overbet I described would be pretty ridiculous. The flop jam line def has its flaws. But if we are playing in a game in which we're a regular and we're against other regs then maybe we gain some image equity in the meta game that says, "look folks, I'm here to play hardball." Then next time we balance our range on a similar situation except this time we have something like top set or T8 on a Q9J board

Overall I like the line you're suggesting more.