Relatively new table, no getting out of line, eff stax 500.

Villain seems like a rec-fish from physical appearance and way he holds himself.

Btn straddle, V is BB Hero is MP with KJo

Hand: V calls 10, folds to hero who raises to 35, only V calls.

Flop K63r (~65)

V leads 50 hero calls

Turn K633 (~165)

V bets 50 hero calls

River K6336 (~265)

V checks, hero?

Check behind or ride the razor?

raise the flop, and the turn. And to your original question def bombing the river

There's really not much left we beat except for a pure bluff and weaker kings.
I'd just check behind here, expecting to get a fold or re-raise most of the time when betting, maybe once in a while a call from a weaker (or stronger) K

Why would you try to create a big pot with just TP?

Raise flop? I'm going with a hard no. Why would you do this?

Raise turn? I'm going with a soft no. Why would you do this?

Bomb river? I'm going with a maybe. Why would you do this?

V has any kx/draw in this spot and wont fold. flatting flop is fine and prob best. not raising the 50 blocking bet on turn is mistake.

or he's value betting a 3 or 6, just as likely
actually it's more likely since there's more 3's & 6's left than there's K's left (on the flop & turn)

villain could also have a set or two pair

we probably have the best hand here, but if we raise and get called we no longer do

With limited reads turn is fine and check back river is fine.

Raise folding the flop- raise flop, betting turn, checking river

turn line- calling flop, rais/folding turn, checking river

your line- calling flop, calling turn, betting 135 on river

Usually in a live game the donk bets are feeler bets, they want to see where they are at in the hand if there top pair is good if there middle pair on a dry board is good, rarely its ak,kq. especiallly with his limp call. He was in the bb and figured oh its only 5 more dollars to me to call im already in for 5. You raise, he figures hes priced in at this point his range is HUGE!! Yes he has you crushed sometimes, you're really beating all kx's/middle pairs/draws... Being able to raise fold is big

So what did he have?

I have to think most of a likely rec-fish's range here is Kx. Sure he can show up with KQ or even AK sometimes, but he has far more combos of weaker kings, and he rarely has a boat given this line. This seems like a pretty straightforward spot for a thin value bet. (b/f, obviously.)

Raising the donk bet on the flop is terribad. If it's a feeler bet with a weak Kx or a mid pair, well congratulations, we've allowed him to lose the minimum.

In all of your lines you get the same dollar value, however you minimize risk in the last one. Well, actually the first line probably nets you less because he folds a ton of hands that we crush on the turn.

No results yet, more discussion.

Ughh this.. I can't write^^

Agreed. How much? Does 125 get called just as much as 145? Is 185-200 too much to get called from a rec player by a weak Kx? Will I be value owning myself too often if I go in the 185-200 range?

vs. a wide range I usually go 1/3-1/2 pot in spots like this, but i'm not quite sure if i'm losing value. I don't want to make it too big where it only gets called by better. Not sure what the threshold is here.

Rec/fish Still don't fold feeler bets. Especially if you are laggy.. They will snap call with kx and even weaker pairs.

what are you doing if he bets bets bets?

no one is adding hands like 76, 65, 54, A6, A5, K6, K5, ...
in villain's range?

he could easily be checking the river to induce a bet?

I don't think he's checking to induce a bet with a bluff hand like 45 almost ever. My spidey poker sense told me that he wasn't the kind of guy to do that. He could def be checking 6x and 3x though. That's what makes this a bet/fold IMO. But he also could be checking Kx and 77-JJ.

I don't know if he calls with 77-JJ, (however a fish may put me on air sometimes) his fishy turn sizing is what made me want to bet/fold the river.

Maybe 3% of the player pool at the room I play in is capable of check/raise bluffing the river.

Taking the more aggresive lines when possible are big for metta game. If the table sees a showdown of kj in that spot they will be less likely to donk bet into you in the future, therefore you get to decide the bet sizing not the v who wants to make the smallest bets possbible with there weak holdings becasue you are letting them dictate the pace of the betting. In the future when you do smash a big hand,your raise you will get paid off by a medium/strong hand because they saw you play one aggresivley earlier. By raising you are maximizing your value in a spot where you are ahead a lot and you didnt even have to show the table a bluff you wiffed on, at the same time showing the table that you don't have to have the nuts to raise, which means in the future you will be getting paid off a lot more than the player that doesnt show he can raise and bet thin..

Don't think he'll ever c/r you as a bluff either, guess 45 didn't belong in that range, oops.

I do think the chance of him check/raising you is a lot bigger than the chance of him check/calling you with worse. So I think just checking behind is the better option. Someone do the math already! :P

half the table isn't looking
the other half probably considers TP the nuts
think you're leveling yourself a bit (or I'm underestimating 2/5 players)

I think a turn raise will more often get worse hands to fold than call so don't think it's a good move.

Metagaming rec players by sacking value is not worth it.
Plus, I want people to donk in to me all the time for 2 reasons... I can float my weak hands and I can disguise my strong hands.
My natural game includes enough bluffs to get paid by medium strength hands so I have no reason to overplay 1 pair.

Can you pm the result? I have to run

I'm happy to bet for value on the river. If V is as described in OP I think he can be taking this line with 88-QQ and may give us the "sigh" call. I really don't see how V has us beat here.

Fold pre.

As played... Just call and check behind OTR.