Well the only hand you have on him leads me to think his range is very wide here as he is confirmed clowny. I think call is good since he is probably always folding worse if you raise and he is probably going to make the mistake of betting 99/8x again OTT. I think it's kinda unlikely a draw or worse bets the turn big so it probably safe to just fold to big turn bets and call small ones. He probably checks the turn with worse/draws a lot, too.

Yea ofc it was

i've gotten enough responses so I'll post the 2nd part of the hand: most everyone agrees I should have 3bet pre. but as played, some are saying fold otf while others like flatting and evaluating turn. however, I did something noone mentioned. Hero tanks for about 30 seconds and announces "raise". Tough spot to range him. Basically I did this to see where I was which is terrible I know after evaluating my play. I'm not sure how Villain viewed me as: hyper TAG or Spewy-Aggro. So if he see's me as a TAG, he is folding an 8 and calling if Im spewy right? Obviously he is shoving with a set or 87 so in that case I fold. Basically I did this to get an 8 to call me to set up a turn shove. Hero raises to 260. Raised for the wrong reasons. Alright, tell me I butchered it. Will post what V did later.

For value? Depends. A lot of bad lags have ridiculously obvious preflop bet sizing tells. Their speculative openings are 15-20 while their solid openings are 25-35. If it's that type of player I raise 88+, AJ+ for value. TT+/AQ+ isn't a bad default if I haven't picked up on anything.

I also bluff a ton in this spot. A raise to 85 here is massively +ev with 24o.

Yea he prob folds every 8 and even 99/TT. It's a protected pot just call and check it down.

If he's shoving 99/TT every time you do this you should still just call bc he's shoving lots of hands that beat you too. (6+6 combos 99/TT for 12 total vs 3+3+3 combos sets plus 9 combos 78 for 18 that beat you)

Interesting. Thanks ikes. Good stuff.

+1. Funny, but i think 3betting here every time is probably the right play until they adjust

So yea you ****ed up pre and post. What did villain do?

If you ever do something no one mentioned on this site, you either did something really awesome or you butchered it and 9 times out of 10 it means you butchered it.

No, dude. Every bit of advice on this site sucks. My advice even sucks.

There's this pervasive mentality on 2p2 that is something like "we compose the entirety of good poker players on the earth/some responses in a thread are good and some are bad" when in reality all responses in all threads are bad and some average live 1/2 grinder or anyone who was at the table when then hand happened probably gives better advice than some random on 2p2

Ya if you don't know how to evaluate what is said, then you're right, everything can be interpreted as worthless.

What does this mean? lol. Evaluating garbage does me no good...

It's not like sifting through mountains of garbage to find one gem is worth anyones time, either. Just look towards math/pokerstove/logic not 2p2 strat threads.

Why are you even here?

I mean when someone posts something good and you don't understand how they arrived at their conclusion then it's worthless to you. most of the time people who post something good on here are going to leave out how they arrived at their conclusion, and even then most the time someone posts something on here it's just pure dumb luck that its good. in every post people are going to omit important factors and you're just going to have to figure out for yourself what these factors are. a post which is an attempt towards something like a mathematical proof for a hand is the only real complete post. posts which include math are useful.

With five people already in the pot, and the best position at the table, you've got to bump it up pre-flop. Since you're the effective stack at $650 (I think? Based off what you posted?) I'd make it pretty big like $130-$150. Besides the fact that JJ are vulnerable post flop, you only want one or two callers to decrease stack to pot ratio and make this hand easy to play on the flop. It's also a premium spot since it definitely looks like you're just making a play at the pot. Best case scenario, you get an opponent to call/fold the flop. Worse case you take it down pre-flop and pick up the $85 up for the taking.

Picking up $85 pre-flop is not even close to being a "worst" case.

Just ignore posts without math in them.

Ego tripping. I like to read hands and think about them and then ignore all the replies and possibly reply myself. If I'm ego tripping I'll shoot others' posts down.

Grunch: 3b to 130-140 pre.

Flop: is it rainbow? As played, call. Reevaluate turn, if he's nitty, he would check back on turn if he doesn't improve and turn sets up a lot of possibilities, we can pick up gutter outs but since you decided to flat, we have an overpair 6 handed and we can't just fold here.

Flop was rainbow. After Hero tank raised Villain's $100 flop bet to $260, Villain goes into the tank. Mumbles to himself. Asked me out loud what I had. Eventually he says "I think you got me beat" and open folds 99. Turn is a 2. River a 6. CO mucks and said he had an 8 and I take the pot.

I know now I should have 3bet pre. But as it is played, I guess it was too nitty to even think about folding in this spot right? Calling and evaluating turn was the best play.

I asked him one hand later what would he have done if I just flatted his flop bet. He said he would have checked OTT. Its pretty easy to see now, but did I miss some value here? There was ~400 in the main pot at that time and I have ~530 left. Should I have jammed turn or value bet the **** out of him(around 100-150) then jam river?

it's never too nitty to think about folding one pair 6 ways

effectively 2.5 ways. sb led guy goes all in for less and we're button.

yea you missed value. had you called you could have underbet turn when he checked then bet river again when he checked again.

Lol no. We went to the flop 7 ways.