2/5 NLH @ around 5:00 PM (so most of the daytime nits are still here)

Hero ~$550 SB is new to the table. Been here for about 2 orbits, raised about 3 times so far, and won every hand. My most recent hand I raised OTB to 20, SB called, flop 8/8/3 with a FD both checked, turn 6 he bet 25, I made it 65 sb folded.

V1 Covers UTG Older gentleman. Seems distracted by other things, sitting pretty with ~$900 and saw him play one hand where he raised pre, then bet all streets and other guy folded river. I'd view him as your "standard" older guy who plays ABC.

V2 Covers UTG+1 Same V from this thread. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...s-psb-1515344/

Hero
V1
V2

V1 Limps UTG, V2 Raises to $20, folds around to
Hero in the SB with JJ who calls... and V1 calls.
What do you guys think about this? This is where I decided to play it passively VS aggressive. I thought about popping it to ~$75ish. Good sizing?

Flop $65
237
Hero checks V1 bets $25, V2 calls $25, Hero thinks about raising again... but calls...
I know I probably f**ked this hand up from the flat pre, but even more on the flat OTF. I decided to play it passive from the preflop decision. If I'm raising here, whats a good size? $125ish?
I'm going to say V1's range here is 2p, combos, NFD, and overpairs here. Based on how I view him, It could be possible he has a naked 7. I think V2 probably has just naked overs with maybe the A

Turn $140
237 - 2
Hero checks, V1 bets $40, V2 folds, Hero calls.
This obviously is a pretty good card for my hand. Once V bets the turn, I sorta put his hand more on an overpair. 8's most likely.

River $220
237 - 2 - 7
Hero checks, V1 bets $65, Hero calls.
Once V bets the river, I still don't give him credit for a 7 here. The only 7 I can imagine he can have is A7, but I don't think he bets the turn, and a random 2pair with the 7, which I don't see 7/2 or 7/3 in his range... I'm still leaning more towards and overpair.

Let the flaming begin.

Hero calls all 4 streets OOP.

I don't even know what to say.

Lead, check/raise, fold do anything other than call, call, call, call.

Raise pre, raise or donk flop.

If I raised pre, I'm betting 2/3 pot flop, betting 2/3 pot turn, and check calling river.

If I raised or donked flop, I'm betting 2/3 pot turn and check calling a reasonable river bet, although I'm most afraid of a 7 with this line.

I'm folding if I'm raised or re-raised at any point in the hand.

As played, the check call on the turn and the river are fine. By check calling you are giving him a chance to bluff with missed draws and preventing him from raising you in case he has a full house.

why are we raising UTG+1 open pre? we're dominated by that range.

once you don't c/r flop, the c/c, c/c turn and river are consistent.

i'm leading turn instead of CC.

I like the flop play that's not bad.

You beat some of his range that is calling like 88-TT and you set your own price.

River is meh. Don't hate a CC

Your line isn't that bad man.

The call pre-flop is 100% fine facing an EP raise imo. 3-bet is close to spew imo.

I think the flop call is fine, too. Raising for value vs. 7x, draws and 88-TT is definitely OK, too. But I don't mind keeping the pot small here and calling. If you raise and get callers, you should probably be raising with the plan to commit your stack on the next step because a raise would build a huge ~$350 turn pot. Of course, if you raise and get a flop 3-bet, you can probably just fold.

I also think checking turn is fine, but you need to raise the super small turn bet for value. I expect villain to bet/call a ton with exactly the worse hands we hope he has.

As played, I'd either call or click it back the river value. Even against someone who can't hand read, I think you can value raise the smallest amount allowed by the rules as a merge with JJ. People won't believe you have a boat.

It's a weird line, but not terrible. I think you're just missing value on turn and river.

Agree with Willyoman, but not sure V is calling raises with worse -- at least not twice.

Yeah, definitely not raising both turn and river.

If we raise turn, I expect V checks river to us with worse. We value bet.

And like I said, as played, click back river.

But agree... I definitely would not raise both streets if V lead both.

I actually really like the call, call, lead turn line now that I think about it. It is pretty hard for him to raise you without a better hand at this point, and you are putting a lot of pressure/getting extra value out of a flush draw/7, lower overpair.

Pre: Generally 3 betting JJ but it's not always mandatory.
Flop: Leading unless I expect PFR to Cbet a high %. Once I check and he bets you gotta raise imo. If he has anything, it is a 7, med PP or Fdraw with overs. You need to get value from those hands now. Most of the deck is going to kill your action vs. a 7 or 88/99 imo. Need to build a pot while you still can.
Turn: See flop
River: How the hell did we end up here?

Well played.i like the c/c line for all streets. You have under represented your hand and give room for villain to make mistakes of betting when he might be behind (hands that are overpairs lower than JJ may pla the same way.

As regard to preflop, I am ok with just calling. You may consider squeezing if there is a raise and a call before you. But not when there is another guy who limped and gets to act after u. But of coz, 3 betting preflop is also fine.

You needed to make your decision pre-flop.

Ask yourself
Is JJ as an overpair good enough to stack off against these villains 100BB's deep. At many low-stakes games, the answer is definitely a yes. And if this is one of those games, then you need to re-raise pre-flop.

If you aren't prepared to stack off with an overpair, then you need to play it only for set value and the call pre-flop is fine.

Once you miss your set, but still flop extremely well, I would definitely lead on the flop.

Flat/C-raise/C-raise/Call

against aggressive players taking a defensive line isn't bad, sometimes.

To those of you who are saying raise the river for value, what value are we getting on the river... A 7 is shoving over us, a 2 is calling us, bluffs and I'd say just about every overpair is folding if we raise the river. I don't see us getting any value OTR and see it as the same value as calling.

How about instead of listing what happened in the hand that you come up with some reasons?

I'm guessing the OP is mad that he didn't try to force the Villain to fold his losing 7x hand before the river, because the OP played it perfectly fine. Next time, find a better shuffling machine.