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2/5 JJ Facing turn shove on T high board 2/5 JJ Facing turn shove on T high board

01-22-2014 , 03:27 PM
Villain - MP early 20s white male. One of my friends that I play with all the time has $550 behind. Very solid TAG player who is positionally aware and is capable of using his image to make plays.

Hero - LP early 20s Asian male, decent tag player who plays a lot of pots in position. $450

Straddle of 10, one limper, villain makes it 50 and I look down at JJ, I elect to call instead of 3 bet. Original limper calls and it goes to the flop.

Pot $165

954 rainbow

Checks to villain who bets $125. I call after thinking for a bit. Limper folds.

Turn

954T

He thinks for a while then slides his stack in the middle for $375.

Hero?
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01-22-2014 , 03:33 PM
Your hand is underrepresented, he could be betting worse for value or semi bluffing with draws that you are way ahead of. I'd call and be pretty happy about it. If he has T9 just bink a jack.
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01-22-2014 , 03:40 PM
Given description of V and lack of 3bet pre, I think I find a fold here.

You describe him as a solid tag. So it's fair to range him TT+, nearly exclusively. Maybe some AKs, but given your position I'm discounting it in this spot.

So we have turned our hand into a setmine with our PF action, then called the flop. His range is nearly entirely ahead of us at this point.

Fold.
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01-22-2014 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
Given description of V and lack of 3bet pre, I think I find a fold here.

You describe him as a solid tag. So it's fair to range him TT+, nearly exclusively. Maybe some AKs, but given your position I'm discounting it in this spot.

So we have turned our hand into a setmine with our PF action, then called the flop. His range is nearly entirely ahead of us at this point.

Fold.
+1 well said.
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01-22-2014 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
I think I find a fold here.

this
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01-22-2014 , 03:58 PM
Yea I knew I was beat but I ended up calling to lose/spike my miracle Jack. Definitely a leak I can fix in my game. He tables AA after I call and river is a blank.

As played I think calling flop and folding turn is the best play.

I was thinking about 3 betting to $125 and forcing AK to fold and folding to a 4 bet pre, thoughts on this? The straddle really inflated the preflop raises and pot size.
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01-22-2014 , 04:23 PM
Think it depends a lot on if he has Tx hands in his pre raising range like ATo/KTs/QTs/JTs and if he stuffs the turn for value with it against you. Would also help if he has QJo in his pre raising range.
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01-22-2014 , 04:26 PM
He's not opening for 50 in MP with ATo...
Our table was pretty loose and crazy so he'd be raising with premiums
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01-22-2014 , 04:27 PM
Trucdouf I had the exact same thought process during the hand but just wasnt able to pull the trigger and fold

Learned a lot from this hand and will avoid situations like this in the future.
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01-22-2014 , 04:43 PM
Just not the kind of board where he can have many semibluffs. I agree with the general consensus that almost his entire range consists of hands that have us crushed now.

In-game I call for deception though
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01-22-2014 , 04:51 PM
Lol insta-call and make villain muck his hand in disgust. Has anyone ever done something similar to that?
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01-22-2014 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GoToWar
He's not opening for 50 in MP with ATo...
Our table was pretty loose and crazy so he'd be raising with premiums
If hes only raising premiums, then its a clear fold
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01-22-2014 , 06:08 PM
Obvious fold is obvious.

Would be interesting if it were much deeper if you could turn your hand into a bluff or not. Your flat 3-betting range should probably be something like AKs/QQ-99 no?
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01-22-2014 , 06:13 PM
There is no 3bet preflop. Straddle pot, one limper, villain raises, hero calls, limper calls.
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01-22-2014 , 06:18 PM
woops. Probably doesn't change hero's flatting range much though considering effective stack. Maybe add AQs into there.
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01-22-2014 , 07:21 PM
actually i believe the pot was somewhere near 500 on the turn (i had AA)

i correctly ranged him for 77-QQ and shoved for value. knew he would call off with JJ QQ
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