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05-09-2016 , 04:41 PM
Table was playing tight and passive for nearly 1hr since I joined until a broken table joined us. Villain 1 chips down from about $2k to start with $500. Villain 1 doesn't remember me but Hero has played with him a lot in a home game in 2011, and I remember him being a pretty bad LAG who would be very aggressive when sensing weakness, both pre and post-flop, to the point of being spewy. I've already tried to induce bluffs from him by cbetting TPTK with AQ and checking 2 streets on a brick turn and river where he checked back twice.
No reads on villain 2.

Hand: new player in utg posts, folds to hero in MP who opens to $25 with JsJh (starts with $1.4k), 1 caller, Villain 1 from SB raises to $100, Villain 2 (starts with just under $500) in BB tanks then cold-calls, folds to Hero who also calls.
(Villain 1 is capable of 3betting light; would say his range is 99+, KQs/AJ+ for value as well as weird suited connectors etc, Villain 2 cold-calling is abit strange, not sure of his range, but he seems like a reg so I'd tentatively say TT-QQ, AQs+/AKo. Considered 4bet jamming, but was slightly worried about Villain 2 calling)

Flop ($330): Ts 9d 3s

Villain 1 checks quickly, Villain 2 checks after a pause. Hero tanks, checks.
(Anyone betting here for protection/value?)

Turn ($330): Ts9d3s 3h

Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 bets $150, hero??
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05-09-2016 , 04:50 PM
Seems as if you are ahead here, but V2 is worrisome. I think a call might induce V1 to raise or call with worse, I probably just call and keep him in. I don't think raising accomplishes much -- folds worse, etc.

If V1 shoves and V2 calls, it's decision time, but a fold is OK vs. an unknown. If V1 shoves and V2 folds, I call.
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05-09-2016 , 04:50 PM
I'd venture a $150 bet OTF and likely shut down if called. As played, call turn and probably fold to river bet.
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05-09-2016 , 04:52 PM
BTW, I don't mind a bet or check on flop. I probably would have bet.
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05-09-2016 , 04:57 PM
I'd bet the flop and prolly just fold to a c/r. JJ gets sketchy in re-raised pots, so I usually play it as a set-mining hand. This is a pretty safe flop when checked to tho.

I'm just calling the turn. Not worried about V1 after he checks twice after his re-raise pre. V2s range is pretty narrow when he cold calls out of the BB this shallow. QJ/JT hopefully.
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05-09-2016 , 05:15 PM
Feels like a tricky spot.... lots of draw's out there and we're not really happy that we're ahead. Can't fold. I'm thinking a min-raise/fold.... And likely checkback on the river if we get there
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05-10-2016 , 12:05 AM
Reason for checking behind flop is the small SPR of effective stacks at play and the fact that villain 2's presumed cold-calling range (if he is a 'normal' player) either has flopped a set, is QQ/JJ, or has 2 overs.
I actually folded turn, which could be too weak-tight, but my assumption is that villain 2 would check AK/AQ and try to get to showdown and his preflop cold-call range shouldn't contain many draws on this board.
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05-10-2016 , 01:21 AM
Remember to always give a lot more weight to recent actions. The spewy lagtard of five years ago can easily be a born again nit (ie checking back hands that can't beat a top pair tonight means more for his ranges than spewing in some home game five years ago).
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05-10-2016 , 02:20 AM
I think the big question in the hand is not why you are folding the turn, but why you are calling preflop if you are not going to put in any more money now. You aren't deep enough to set mine, and if you don't like this flop, there aren't going to be that many that you do like where you don't hit a set.
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05-10-2016 , 02:42 AM
given your reads on V1s and V2s range it is a jam pre. as played, with this SPR, b/gii on this flop.

but honestly, i just wanted to congratulate you on your fantastic nicmane!
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05-10-2016 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by WOAT1Time
Remember to always give a lot more weight to recent actions. The spewy lagtard of five years ago can easily be a born again nit (ie checking back hands that can't beat a top pair tonight means more for his ranges than spewing in some home game five years ago).
+1

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Originally Posted by sauhund
given your reads on V1s and V2s range it is a jam pre. as played, with this SPR, b/gii on this flop.
+2
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05-10-2016 , 06:00 AM
Fold pre.

Effective stacks are $500 for both players. There are 18 combos of hands that have you crushed. One of these two guys has you beat. I can't imagine that anyone would cold-call a 3! with AK. You are not deep enough to set-mine and position is meaningless when SPR is approaching one PSB. Fold, observe, and save $475 for a much better spot.
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05-10-2016 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jake
Feels like a tricky spot.... lots of draw's out there and we're not really happy that we're ahead. Can't fold. I'm thinking a min-raise/fold.... And likely checkback on the river if we get there
Not this.

You can't R/F. You aren't deep enough. Both V's started the hand with ~$500.
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05-10-2016 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
I can't imagine that anyone would cold-call a 3! with AK.
This is not necessarily true. AK is too weak to 4b here and too strong to fold (atleast to the fish).
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05-10-2016 , 12:06 PM
Villain 1 as far as i can tell has retained his spewtardedness, he 3b/snap called 100bb pre with AQo in a hand after this and bemoaned his luck that his opponent had AKs.

So most people are folding this pre if im just set-mining vs 2 other players with position and closing the preflop action?
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05-10-2016 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BigNickDigga
Villain 1 as far as i can tell has retained his spewtardedness, he 3b/snap called 100bb pre with AQo in a hand after this and bemoaned his luck that his opponent had AKs.

So most people are folding this pre if im just set-mining vs 2 other players with position and closing the preflop action?
how do you come to this conclusion?
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05-11-2016 , 08:33 AM
pre is okish

bet 115 OTF and shut down on most runouts.
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