In a 2/5 game against a pro/prop player that works at the casino. Hes been working there for 2-3 years and goes to the WSOP every year.

blinds 2-3- straddle
There is a straddle and MP limps in
Hero(1000) MP limps behind with J10off
Villain to my left raises to 35
MP calls
Hero calls

Flop KQ4 rainbow
MP check
Hero checks
Villain bets 50
Hero calls

turn 9
Hero checks
Villain checks

River A, completes no flushes
Villain says I put you on J10 and checks

Villain shows AK


Did I miss value? I think since the Ace shows up, it induces Villain to bluff or Value when he does river his Ace.

I think c/raise is more optimal. What do you guys think?

Fold pre, and yes you missed value. Check raising turns your hand face up and villain is unlikely to pay you off with the majority of his range.

Greathulk, there's so much fundamentally wrong with this hand that I can't really give you good advice as to your question.

First, why are we playing at a table vs professional house money?

Second, why are we limping with J10o? From anywhere, really, but especially MP?

Third, why in the world, when the professional house money raises, are we calling OOP (or really, from anywhere?)

These are all no-good, very bad things that will make it very difficult to be a winning long-term player. I think me advising you to fix those flaws, and encouraging you to read some good poker literature as to why those behaviors are bad, will do way more for your long term play than answering your query.

Pre is terrible.

Did you really check turn and river after turning the nuts??

And then ask us if you missed value? Uhhhh yeah, yeah you did miss value.

OP,
You apparently have some live tells, but it was also a lucky guess. Are you correctly rolled for the game?

Very much this ^

He wasn't on duty at the time...He was off work and was stuck 1500 and decided to keep playing. Prop players play with their own money.


MP limped and I limped behind and why would we lead out turn.
Checking the turn gives Villain a option to fire another barrel
Also the Ace on the river is a good card for villain to bluff or to value when he hits his ace

Yes I am rolled for the game I been playing 2/5 and 5/10 for 2 years now

Do you think villain folds any of the hands he would value bet on the river when you lead in that spot? Do you think he calls with any hands that he would check behind?

Leave out what V had in your initial posts. As in this hand I think it is very important, for us to answer your question objectively, to NOT know what V had.

That said, I can see what your plan with this hand was on turn and river but IMO there are a number of mistakes -

- as everyone else is saying, limping pre with TJo is no good. I dont mind a raise here if you insist on playing or maybe just play it every now and again to balance a range or what not. But in a straddled pot, with a pro to your left (who is probably playing some version of aggressive poker) this is a leak in and of itself. Now you are OOP against him.

- You flopped the OESD. The check call is fine I guess but now we need to think about what he might have. I thought either TPTK, MPTK or maybe a pp like TT, JJ, 99 or sometyhing.

- 9 hits. Check both. We need to further analyze his range and decide what is going to give us maximum $$$. If he is aggressive the check here is fine IMO with the intention of check raising.

- On river...he had checked behind maybe for pot control or wanted a cheaper showdown as he may have put you on a straight draw. so now I think we can safely put him on a pair of some variety. But we need to be thinking what he is thinking about our hand in order to maximize value. He is a pro so let's assume he is good at this. We look like we are repping a straight or maybe set or maybe a weak King or possibly a Q. If we don't et here, for him to bet he is going to have to be pretty sure he is ahead. If he thinks you are a good player or capable of check raising river he is going to check down with you. I feel you needed to bet here as I think based on what we think his range is, he is going to call maybe 1/3 pot...and the good side of this is that if he does get frisky and raise then we have him by the jewels. Bet river as played.... (but again I wouldn't play Loose PAssive out of position to a professional player...or any player really).

Generally speaking, if you want to make $ with the nuts, then put $ in the pot yourself.

And I agree with people saying pre is bad. This hand is way better in position and with initiative.

Where is it you have been playing 2/5 and 5/10 for two years like this?

Bet out turn smallish (~80-90 or little less than 1/2 pot). Make a bet he has to call even if he's afraid he's behind. Then bet smallish on river, too.

Preflop can be fine, depends on individual game or gameflow. Raising 1 limper in MP with JTo is bad, fold is ok, call is ok-like I said depends on individual game/flow.

Summary of hand: You're up against an excellent player who reads others very well. Don't get overly tricky against people like this.

You played this hand awful on every street. I guess maybe not flop. But damn.

The real lesson here is why you don't call with speculative hands OOP pf. You hit your hand on the turn and managed to get nothing. You needed to bet the river. He would have hemmed and hawed, then called a 1/2 PSB on the river because of pot odds at least.

Know when to walk away
And know when to run