**** i ****ed up and thought we were 100BBs not 200. ignore the first few paragraphs of my earlier post, i dont think it applies much in this scenario :/

wait, was OP suggesting this play as a default 100% of the time?

3betting because you're bored is a good way to reduce your winrate.

As played, he's not going to call another bet with something like TP on this dangerous a board. However, you can get value from sets and FD. So bet something like $400 to match your flop bet.

I agree. However I think there is an argument to be made for showing up with a hand your opponent just doesnt expect you to have. I tend to just bluff w/ these pre and release when I dont smash the flop however in the past I've definitely gone from having a great session to running into some other solid player who just shows me down a hand I never expect and it just breaks me - i would start 2nd guessing everything, my game would fall apart, etc etc.

I've since put lots of effort into working on these tilt control issues but there's a lot of value in breaking an opponent mentally. Im not advocating 3bet every absurd hand every time - in fact I tend to just take a stab like this once a session or every 4 hrs. Depends on how im feeling/running etc. if flop goes my way, perfect - if not, i give up and move on. I risk XX to fracture someone else's composure.

We see this all the time in sports - a golfer loses composure and falls apart on the back 9. A bowler. A QB - anywhere. Same applies to the mental stability in poker ime.

While boredom shouldnt be the impetus, i dont see an issue with taking a hand pre and yolo 1 time for the lulz in an attempt to just crush another player into Niagara fall-ing their chips into every subsequent pot.

Just a thought experiment:

Vs an AI opponent, i dont think it is good strategy. Even though the AI might completely misjudge our range and we win the pot, an AI does not walk away from that interaction muttering to itself. It simply shifts ever so slightly until enough occurrences where its range assessments start to include the absurd ****.

Also, you would have to run like god to show up a statistically significant amount of times with trash like 64o in a 3bet pot to force these changes in range assignment. So again, given the infinite timeline, bad strategy.

but since we still play humans, and humans dont walk away from encounters going "that was absurd and statistically insignificant" they instead go "this guy is insanely lucky" or "he must play crazy ALL the time" etc etc, it can swing these things into our favor.

EDIT: I dont know the answer and maybe what I'm suggesting doesnt merit mention due to so many other factors that can lead to similar results? apologies, kind of thread hijacking here

So pre-flop I think is optimistic, but I'm OK with it provided your not continually 3!ing trash.... I tend to mix occasional sc's / 1gappers into my 3! Range especially at 2-4 vs the good regs....

Flop is too big, if we are 3!ing and continuing alot we should be sizing down to ~50% pot maybe even ~40% ish...... We are going to be c-betting air here with far to high a frequency to make the sizing this big.....

Turn is just an obv bet....you said yourself you were going to bluff any club..the whole point of playing a lag range is that when you do bet this spot, you have a bunch of bluffs also therefore increasing the likelihood of being called by worse.....

Easy turn value bet Imo, if villan shoves just sigh, put the rest in and expect to be good maybe 1 in 4

The problem with doing this every 4 hours or so is that 19 of 20 times, you're going to have to fold and the villains won't notice. So once every 80 hours of play, you'll show some wild hand that won. Showing a wild hand that you had to fold doesn't have an impact other than the villains thinking you're an idiot.

In a small circle of players that play 4-5 times a week, it would be effective. They would start to remember you doing this. However most LLSNL games don't have regulars you play that frequently. It would impact the table at the time, but within a couple of hours most of the players will have left and it will be as if you never did it.

Now I'm not saying to never do it. I occasionally 3 bet SC. But I target those at the very few players in LLSNL that are raising too often to have a lot of value in their range. SC are nice because 25% of the time on the flop, you've got some decent equity that allows you to continue if called. With my OMC image, my 3bets get a lot of respect.

In my experience, what happens is I cold 4bet squeeze 68s, get one stubborn caller who check/folds the T high flop, and as I go to muck someone says "Come on, show the bluff!" and I show 8 high.

I should stop doing this (the 4betting, not the showing), cause pretty much all the regs at 2/5 have seen me do it by now and think I'm crazy. But it is pretty easy to show down more often then 5% of the time in these spots.

This 100%
Its so easy to get away with these kinds of play live. Most opponents still dont understand how to deal w/ a 4bet or play a 4bet post. They call giving you a range of [82o] then once the flop comes and they miss, they suddenly give you a range of [AA] and then ch/fold when they dont smash teh board w/ their QTs or something.

Range construction and the linearity of removing possible holdings from a range as a hand progresses was and still is a dark art for many opponents (even online) largely because of the work/study involved i guess

So correct decision to bet turn or not is Villian dependent. If you check to him and he checks back you can be sure he doesn't have a flush, any club on river kills your hand so theres merits to betting.