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Old 07-24-2017, 07:43 PM   #26
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Re: 2/5 I have one of tge hardest pf hands to play but, uh, pot odds

Talked to him after hand and he said ATo is the worst hand he calls with and squeezing with any ace so i suppose shove is fine. Doesnt feel that way after you punt a bi with k high but it is what it is
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Old 07-25-2017, 03:34 AM   #27
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Re: 2/5 I have one of tge hardest pf hands to play but, uh, pot odds

The way you initially described him, you made it seem like he would squeeze just about any two.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:31 AM   #28
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Re: 2/5 I have one of tge hardest pf hands to play but, uh, pot odds

Villain confirmed wizard.
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Old 07-25-2017, 11:50 AM   #29
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Re: 2/5 I have one of tge hardest pf hands to play but, uh, pot odds

man, you guys are spewy...
sounds like he is probably at least somewhat competent and I refuse to believe that a "young wizard" is gonna squeeze a total absurd amount of the time, esp given he´s got an easy defend and no need to squeeze with a huge amount of holdings given your tiny open.

Preflop sizing is too small, just make a regular potsize open UTG like 50 with two posters.
KQss is about the worst hand you´re gonna open on a 10 handed table UTG. If raised, just fold unless villain is a total maniac (unlikely). shoving my ass, flat, make a pair and hold on is much better if you feel insulted or whatever by him and feel the need to play this hand...

edit: read the spoiler that he called with ATo. gotta redo that "wizard" read hehe
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Old 07-25-2017, 01:19 PM   #30
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Re: 2/5 I have one of tge hardest pf hands to play but, uh, pot odds

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Limping beyond awful
Ha! .., ha .ha

How about winning an entire stacks (one buy-in) per night. Is that awful too?

One buy in at 1/2 on average $200 that come to be like $5000/mo
If we talk about 1/3 and 300 eff that is $7000/mo
and finally 2/5 with 500 eff = $10,000/mo

How much hooey has one sucker has to take each month in his little cubical office or on factory floor for that money?

We make that kind of money and being free like a cloud in the sky .., wtf?

You got to do nothing more but to know how to handle 22+, all suited Broadways, AQo and AKo. That's it. 10% starting hands and dig for the big hands. One or big hands per night will bring serious money if we don't bleed chips on our nonsense drawings with 8-9 outs. (LOL)

If you want to play standard and raise with QQ/JJ it may be fine for winning small pots pre or on the flop on your c/b. But if you don't flop a set and get action after the flop or if an Ace or King comes down you are dead wood. No one in his right mind will give you any action at the flop or beyond if he cannot beat at least an over-pair to the flop. Yes, you may win and lose small pots but that amounts to an insignificant results.

Now, don't get me wrong: If you're looking for entertainment and socializing with playing some cards and having fun while winning or losing small amounts of money because God took care of you and can afford this luxury .., wtf? More power to you pardner! - But for me and many others that didn't inherit anything from anybody and don't even have a wife that brings another big check at the end of the month, we have to work by playing cards for living. And if you think you're smarter than us or we are idiots or I am trolling..., Well,..wtf? .... More's the pity, pardner. More's the pity....
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Old 07-25-2017, 01:36 PM   #31
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Ha! .., ha .ha

How about winning an entire stacks (one buy-in) per night. Is that awful too?

One buy in at 1/2 on average $200 that come to be like $5000/mo
If we talk about 1/3 and 300 eff that is $7000/mo
and finally 2/5 with 500 eff = $10,000/mo

How much hooey has one sucker has to take each month in his little cubical office or on factory floor for that money?

We make that kind of money and being free like a cloud in the sky .., wtf?

You got to do nothing more but to know how to handle 22+, all suited Broadways, AQo and AKo. That's it. 10% starting hands and dig for the big hands. One or big hands per night will bring serious money if we don't bleed chips on our nonsense drawings with 8-9 outs. (LOL)

If you want to play standard and raise with QQ/JJ it may be fine for winning small pots pre or on the flop on your c/b. But if you don't flop a set and get action after the flop or if an Ace or King comes down you are dead wood. No one in his right mind will give you any action at the flop or beyond if he cannot beat at least an over-pair to the flop. Yes, you may win and lose small pots but that amounts to an insignificant results.

Now, don't get me wrong: If you're looking for entertainment and socializing with playing some cards and having fun while winning or losing small amounts of money because God took care of you and can afford this luxury .., wtf? More power to you pardner! - But for me and many others that didn't inherit anything from anybody and don't even have a wife that brings another big check at the end of the month, we have to work by playing cards for living. And if you think you're smarter than us or we are idiots or I am trolling..., Well,..wtf? .... More's the pity, pardner. More's the pity....
no way you win money.
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Old 07-25-2017, 01:57 PM   #32
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no way you win money.
this. please share the drugs.
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Old 07-25-2017, 02:10 PM   #33
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no way you win money.

OK,

Since I'm playing every day here in Vegas for the last 30 years or so and according to your analysis I'm not winning because I'm saying besides other tings that QQ,JJ,TT or any starting hand has got to flop/hit a big hand in order to make the most money, that means I must have been born a billionaire in order to afford this hobby. - another words I must be an idiot, fish that donates his money because I'm not a player like yourself that knows all the standard moves prescribed in your little poker books. -Is that so?

Is that raising with QQ,JJ or TT,99 preflop a standard little strategy that all do before the flop and if you ask them why they raised they have no idea or they tell you the raise will fold any Ace or King that may pair on the flop and kill the QQ. What a bunch of hooey is that? Force to fold a hand that has only 3 outs to improve. If I have QQ I want AJ, KQ, KJ to play. I don't want them out

Why I care about his 3 outs? - I am 3:1 favorite. Let them all play. If I hit a set I'm taking all the money for the little standard player.

You see, you got no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 07-25-2017, 02:14 PM   #34
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OK,

Since I'm playing every day here in Vegas for the last 30 years or so and according to your analysis I'm not winning because I'm saying besides other tings that QQ,JJ,TT or any starting hand has got to flop/hit a big hand in order to make the most money, that means I must have been born a billionaire in order to afford this hobby. - another words I must be an idiot, fish that donates his money because I'm not a player like yourself that knows all the standard moves prescribed in your little poker books. -Is that so?

Is that raising with QQ,JJ or TT,99 preflop a standard little strategy that all do before the flop and if you ask them why they raised they have no idea or they tell you the raise will fold any Ace or King that may pair on the flop and kill the QQ. What a bunch of hooey is that? Force to fold a hand that has only 3 outs to improve. If I have QQ I want AJ, KQ, KJ to play. I don't want them out

Why I care about his 3 outs? - I am 3:1 favorite. Let them all play. If I hit a set I'm taking all the money for the little standard player.

You see, you got no idea what you're talking about.
are you Octavian?
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Old 07-25-2017, 04:51 PM   #35
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Re: 2/5 I have one of tge hardest pf hands to play but, uh, pot odds

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So i like case's logic here. I want to raise but i also want to invite more ppl into the fray, which will entice the straddle to squeeze even lighter

Hero raises to 30, a cascade of calls ensues. UTG 1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, btn calls, blinds fold, straddle squeezes to 230

Hero??????
This.

Hero moves all-in. If V wakes up with AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, then shrug and move on.
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Old 07-25-2017, 05:34 PM   #36
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man, you guys are spewy...
sounds like he is probably at least somewhat competent and I refuse to believe that a "young wizard" is gonna squeeze a total absurd amount of the time, esp given he´s got an easy defend and no need to squeeze with a huge amount of holdings given your tiny open.

Preflop sizing is too small, just make a regular potsize open UTG like 50 with two posters.
KQss is about the worst hand you´re gonna open on a 10 handed table UTG. If raised, just fold unless villain is a total maniac (unlikely). shoving my ass, flat, make a pair and hold on is much better if you feel insulted or whatever by him and feel the need to play this hand...

edit: read the spoiler that he called with ATo. gotta redo that "wizard" read hehe
First of all, both of this is correct. Villain is a young wizard...he is great at this game as far as figuring out where he is at AND he is also spewy. Thats what happens when u are 22 and talented

His range to squeeze is all aces and some kings. This guy dies this for a living and will get a hard on for no flop no drop here

I chose 30 because thats the amount i wanted to raise and damn villain. I didnt have a crystal ball. But i dont like over raising with kqs 10 handed utg. Seens like you will lose more than you win. Limping allows 3 random hands to play virtually free. I made a bit of a compromise. But i love how case2 planned pre out. 30 allows ppl to call and invites a lighter squeeze. I wasnt thinking that. I was thinking i haz KQs lets message the pot in case i hit. I will have an awkward SPR if i raise to 50. I might have gone 50 if i were deeper.

Pretty sure hand plays itself after that but i dunno, 230 doesnt give me FE so could be a fold. I only have 30 in

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Old 07-25-2017, 05:40 PM   #37
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are you Octavian?
Man this act was sounding familiar, and I think you nailed it.

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Old 07-25-2017, 06:30 PM   #38
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are you Octavian?
No, my name is not Octavian but I wish, it's a nice name. Instead I've been visiting his Palace here in Vegas at the Caesar's. Small games but a nice place.

"Young men, hear an old man to whom old men hearkened when he was you" - (Octavian Augustus 63BC-14AD)
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Old 07-25-2017, 07:43 PM   #39
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Re: 2/5 I have one of tge hardest pf hands to play but, uh, pot odds

Pre 50-60. If you're gonna go for the weak open/resqueeze, I think 4bing smaller to like 570 is much better than a shove. Looks a lot stronger, you get a better price on your bluff and you give V the chance to hero 5b bluff vs your value. Obv have to call it off if he ships but w/e.
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Old 07-25-2017, 09:07 PM   #40
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Re: 2/5 I have one of tge hardest pf hands to play but, uh, pot odds

Why 30 pf? It puts you in an awful spot. Are you going to 30 with 1010;AQ+? Villain probably isn't squeezing as much as you think they are, and probably doesn't even squeeze if you go 50 pf. They sensed weakness and were correct.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:36 AM   #41
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Re: 2/5 I have one of tge hardest pf hands to play but, uh, pot odds

yeah there are def merits to going higher...

Not gonna fault my play here because i got a huuuge overlay and v was folding a lot of his squeeze,range and my eq when called overcomes the times im crushed. I believe i should have the equity when called coz i think my shove only needs to go thru 2/5th of the time to compensate for the times im called if i did the math right

I do not mind going 60 pre one bit tho or even 70.
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