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05-06-2010 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
I'm dead serious with this post.

Make it $150 total here, saying the amount verbally as you place it into the middle. This will 100% without a doubt take-it-to-the-bank cause at least one person to comment out loud that the "correct" raise size has to be $170. When this happens, be loud and voiciferous as to why it doesn't. Make a scene if possible. Eventually, a dealer or floor guy of competence will obviously rule that you can in fact make it $150, but by this point the rules arguing will cause enough inflamed feelings as to guarantee you get action. Someone will either ****-it-I'm-all-in on you, or you get called and proceed to a turn where you are really only concerned with not seeing a club peel off.
This is good ****. This is a veteran play.
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05-06-2010 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by poloboy4
This is good ****. This is a veteran play.
Angle-shooting is ridiculous imo. It's used by people who are not as skilled.
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05-06-2010 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by whorasaurus
Am I doing something wrong, because the old b/3b line never works for me. I always bet and just get called, it's rare that I'll get raised in a spot like this. Which makes sense, b/c you're going to want a big fkn hand to raise on a 854cc board when the SB wakes up and makes a decent lead into a big field of players.
Why don't you like a call? You get value from one pair hands and even idiotic draws. A check-raise will rarely get more value from these marginal hands, especially if they check and late position bets (and you chk/raise). I personally want everyone to call. Don't be afraid of having draws in there. It's easy to read when draws get there and you get away cheap. Think of it as getting value from them.

Also - this board hits a multi-way pot so hard. SCs, PP, overpairs. Any two pair, set, or over pair is going to raise your bet.
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05-06-2010 , 11:27 PM
But now that I think about it - check-raise doesn't sound bad with your stack size. It's close imo. Especially if the table is loose.
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05-07-2010 , 12:16 AM
The range of hands raising on this board are stronger than the one pairs we're afraid of folding out. As for the other guy who bet the flop, one of two things happens if you call: one, he has a flush draw or set and would have called your raise anyway (and you're ok if he decides to fold those) or two, he sees a raise and a coldcall and decides to gtfo of this pot with some weak crap he doesn't want to take to 3-way war. I mean, there's also, three, he calls the $65 just to save face but runs like hell on the turn. I approve of the 3-bet to $200 and pretty much always lead the turn for remainder of stack.
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05-07-2010 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingnite
Why raise? We want two-pair to call, we want flushes to call, we want straight draws to call.
It's low limit live poker. They will call with all types of draws.

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Originally Posted by unrealzeal
all i can see in this hand is perfect squeeze pre spot
Don't think I'd ever advocate a squeeze here vs. a nitty UTG minraiser + multiple callers at a low limit game. As a "default line", I think squeezing is a really bad idea, actually. Unless you're specifically there to be the hyperaggro LAG (which I think is fine, given the right circumstances), but OP clearly isn't.

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
I'm dead serious with this post.

Make it $150 total here, saying the amount verbally as you place it into the middle. This will 100% without a doubt take-it-to-the-bank cause at least one person to comment out loud that the "correct" raise size has to be $170. When this happens, be loud and voiciferous as to why it doesn't. Make a scene if possible. Eventually, a dealer or floor guy of competence will obviously rule that you can in fact make it $150, but by this point the rules arguing will cause enough inflamed feelings as to guarantee you get action. Someone will either ****-it-I'm-all-in on you, or you get called and proceed to a turn where you are really only concerned with not seeing a club peel off.
This is so brilliant it brings tears to my eyes.


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Originally Posted by whorasaurus
Am I doing something wrong, because the old b/3b line never works for me. I always bet and just get called, it's rare that I'll get raised in a spot like this. Which makes sense, b/c you're going to want a big fkn hand to raise on a 854cc board when the SB wakes up and makes a decent lead into a big field of players.
Even if the table is not prone to raising I'd much rather lead. In many passive live games people will check-through their draws in a multiway pot like this, draws which would happily pay at least one bet to see the turn. By taking the betting initiative, I also give myself control over the size of the pot, and in any situation where I'm trying to extract value, I'd much rather have the betting lead - live villains simply make bets which are FAR TOO SMALL.
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05-07-2010 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by flip2win
Angle-shooting is ridiculous imo. It's used by people who are not as skilled.
You are a complete and utter fool if you think what I posted is angle shooting. The person in my example would be placing a legal bet, then explaining why it's legal because SOMEONE ELSE didn't know the rules and attempted to exploit them. After the corect ruling was made and the legal raise allowed to stand as such, that someone else's poor handling of their own feelings would cause them to go broke.
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05-07-2010 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by poloboy4
This is good ****. This is a veteran play.

I admit to having done this a couple of times before. It has always resulted in at least getting to the next street after the minraise gets called. 1000x/1000 when you put in the fake-looking-but-allowable-minraise, someone will attempt to convince everyone that it's an incorrect raise, you could bet your life on this.

A more fun application of this which I and another poster on this site have done many times when drunk at the casino would simply do it for small amounts just to torture people - i.e., 1/2 NL live, couple limps, some guy makes it $10, comes to you, make it $18 just so you can spend ninety or so seconds smiling inside over the hilarity that ensues when several donks tell anyone who will listen that it's "got to be $20!!!!"
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05-07-2010 , 06:24 PM
what are you repping when you call here? You'd probably fold nut flush draw, right? Your line looks a lot stronger flatting than raising, so just raise. You're shallow enough that someone might feel priced in even though they're not.

Also, lead flop. It increases your hand range, builds the pot, prevents giving away a free card, and you're getting raised a decent amount of time on this board which is obviously great.
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