Depending on live tells, betting river small, or shoving river or check/calling river could all be best. TripleH68, did you have any live reads on Villain that you could share with us?

Perhaps this may be a more specific way of saying what I meant: Once we check the river, V may be inclined to think (given lack of history and H's "tightness" OOP) that H never has a pair of aces or better in this situation, thus making a bluff seem more attractive. V would be trying to make KK fold. H's perceived range is capped, unless V has a reason to believe that H is a habitual trap setter. Probably no one is thinking that.

Obviously, several factors should play into one's decision to check or bet on a given street. I wasn't implying that V would only bluff here bc H is capped, but it sure as hell is a good reason to lean in that direction.

As mentioned in the OP I do not have much experience specifically. Others in the player pool have told me "he always bets when you check to him." I did not want to taint this thread with that line especially because I take information like that with a grain of salt. It really could mean "he is aggressive and my plan on beating him is to make a big hand and trap him."

In this specific hand I do think the presence of BB is interesting. Button should know how he plays. Button may be calling the flop wide but when BB over calls what impact does that have on the turn play? Will button change his calling range there because of the presence of BB?

As for physical tells OTR button put on a good show for about 20 seconds and then announced all-in both verbally and with a wave of the hand. I did not put any weight in that.

I did make myself look weak before checking. In order for villain to bluff though he has to think I would be willing to lay down KK-TT.

But checking the river also depends on villain's value betting tendencies. We may want to bluff here.

If we're really thinking about c/c 100%, why should we not be thinking about bluffing?

I think this is played fine. If you are never raising T9s there in EP you are playing too tight IMO. It helps vary your EP raising range when you end up showing it down to people. Not saying do it every time, but it's fine. And if you are good post flop against a bad table then you are extra fine!

Flop/Turn/River played just fine IMO.

You said villain was an aggro regular, but does he have ANY history at all with you to know you are usually "super tight in EP"? If he does know this and is a good player as you described him then even he will slow down at that point.

You just haven't given enough information here, or don't know enough information yourself, to make a great river decision.

However, with the third player in the pot he would have raised a made hand...sets, 2 pair, straights. The cold call by the BB on the flop makes this an easy turn raise with any hand like that with the flush draw out there. You can discount those hands.

This smells to me like one of three things...
A9
Pair 88, TT, or JJ he is turning into a bluff (If he is aware of your "super tight pre image)
A missed flush draw, possibly A-2h that turned into 2 pair. I don't think he bets this size with Axh one pair, instead bets for value or even possibly checks behind, although I'd hedge a bit on this when doing my head math as you haven't played enough with him to be sure.

You're going to have to call here and pay him off getting 2:1. Sounded like he turned over the winner on you for a big pot, so just say nice hand and move on. Don't be result oriented

PS> I don't think he plays a naked straight draw like this on the turn if he is solid like you describe. A call there with a player behind is asking for trouble unless he had some kind of read of that guy to know for sure he isn't check raising or has hearts.

How about timing throughout the hand? How quickly did he call flop/turn?

Not calling for information, calling because I think we can bluffcatch vs an aggro player a lot here, but we are going to get a ton of information at showdown, and since this is live players love to try and muck to avoid embarrassment, but we really need to know what he had given how this hand played out.

Grunch- fine as played IMO as long as your "mixing it up UTG" doesn't become standard. I prob fold river, it's tempting with pot odds though.

Flop fairly quickly. Turn a little more time, not excessive.
I had no feeling on timing tells.

River check probably best then.

Interesting. T9s is one of my standard opening hands UTG & I only open with ~10%.

Ed Miller recommends opening [with a raise] UTG with 76s+. I cut it off at T9s.

I wonder if you gave someone like Phil Ivey or Galfond 6k, disguised them so nobody could tell who they were & told them to go play 1/2 live for a year & open UTG with 76s+, always for a raise, if they would crush the game.

To make it more interesting, you could have them o/r for the same amount in EP no matter what starting hand they had & see if they'd still crush it.

^ It's all situational. If you are at a 3! happy table then it should just be an auto-muck.

He also has some pretty specific ideas about how it should be played.

I'll bet they would.

I highly doubt it.

Your questions are right on point.

Like a good boy I thought about what I was going to do otr before I checked, so I pretty much snap called. Villain showed 75o for a pair of 7s. MHIG.

I am still giving this hand thought. Thanks for your responses.

Snap fold. I'd rather open to a larger size in EP. Make it 35, pot the flop and ship turn. What a great spot for V to ship some bluffs and some value hands like TT, K9s, if you're always checking to induce, here.

Edit, read results, wish ppl wouldn't post them ever, it ruins my spot on analysis

42 posts in, dgaf

[ ] Nice call

imo. Betting that river would've been atrocious though. Thanks for the results

AP call but blocker betting river has some merit.

Why

Why? How much of villain's range can't call a shove? Of the part that can, what part of that part are we calling it off to anyway?

Personally think against V as described, a blocking bet OTR is the worst possible line.

Better question is whether there is more value to merge by betting (shoving) and whether it's even considered a merge.

How much of V's range < H is going to call? None without history, and it doesn't seem likely even if there is history.

How much of V's range > H is going to fold? 2 pairs+, none.

So the question is really down to how V will play his Ax and bigger 9x, but how many of those hands are in V's range?

What if H checks to bluff catch for value? Tough question without more information on V's tendencies.

Anything but bluff catching the river is bad. There should be very few Aces in V's range that played the hand the way he did. An aggro V as described will almost certainly bluff the Ace if checked to which makes our 2nd pair the nut bluff catcher.

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