Villain is a crusher in the room mostly because he knows exactly when to bluff and does it often. If you play vs him get ready for some Chino Rheem-style check/raising with napkins to nuts and loose pre flop play. Only weakness I can see in his game is he gets a little sticky on the river but he is usually going to blast away at you if the hand gets that far. By far the biggest winner in the room. Loved by the losing players for giving so much action and hated by the winners for sucking the table dry.

/mancrush

Winning reg (1100) opens to 20 10 handed from the hijack, hero (1200) 3! to 60 AT from CO, button folds

V(3500) flats from SB, BB (750) unknown calls, OR flats

4 players ($235)

V's calling range from the SB to a 3bet pre is not particularly narrow. I've seen him peel in this sort of spot with hands like T6s but I've also seen him show up with hands like AQo or KQs and even AA so I'm not particularly alarmed but I feel he is the only one who is going to give me resistance on this flop and expected him to give up his SB cold calling range about 0% on the following texture

662

checks around to hero, bets 120, only v calls

We are not surprised

($475)

6

check, check

K

V bets 350, hero?

Umm call.

As played call and w/e if he beats you. Not a big fan of the cbet 4ways, but it's not terrible

It sounds like he is always going to bet the K. Given he checked the turn (a card that doesn't really change hand values), Ace high should be good decently often. And if he has a better Ace high like AQ it's still a chop.

Pre is fine but I'm done once we go 4-way to the flop given two cold calls to the face. We can still bluff catch later when V bets turns from the SB and BB/PFR fold.

If I did bet the flop I would be double barreling this turn and triple barreling any A-J river.

ATs or ATo?

Check/fold flop.

Pre little bigger. Flop little smaller. Think you need to bet turn some amount to keep telling strong range/value with AT high/gets cheaper free rivers if he's gonna often try and sieze control or bluff when you check turn.

If you decide that you're going to play back at a player, you have to be fully committed. He knows you didn't have a pair on the turn or you would have bet. Since you aren't fully committed, you should have flatted his raise and played in position. By 3 betting, you actually gave him position in the hand. His checking doesn't tell you anything about his hand. The action is going to start on you.

As played, the pot is 825 and you have 880 left. I just hate calling or folding here. You're going to look like an ass if he shows up with 72. I wouldn't put myself in this position, but if I'm in it, I like a shove. You might as well play it like you had AK, because that's exactly what it looks like you had. LAGs don't like calling for most of their stack. They don't mind raising or betting, but calling against what would be how I'd expect a player to play AK without a K isn't what they have in mind. If nothing else, he's going to give you a wider berth and be more willing to call you in the future.

AcTc

He probably has AK almost always. Tough to fold to this guy I guess, but it's weird to imagine bluffs here

0% AK

Call the river. Not a fan of the c-bet.

Seems like an easy call.

seems like an easy fold honestly. i think you might be overestimating villains sb cold-calling range here a bit just because you saw him one time with T6s.

Fold. The K spikes right in your range and he still bet it.

Checking turn might of been a mistake.

I'm not calling.

I really don't like how it was played, starting with the 3-bet with AT. As played though, it's a call.

Honest question: Why are so many people saying this is a call? After villain c/c the flop, what exactly are we beating on the river? Even most of his bluffs beat us. What am I missing here?

i think this is pretty decent logic.

villain cold called 3bet from SB, x/c a 662r flop. it is a bit optimistic to think ace high is good here enough to be a clearly profitable decision. Only hand I can think of is like KQs that would do this, but even then, it's a bit of a stretch (esp to x/c flop with that hand)

Also consider that if we are calling with AT then we are probably calling way too often. I'm sure we 3bet KQ/KJ/QJ at some frequency, but in general, if we call AT here we are probably just a complete station on the river.

What's our perceived range for the 3b pre? The nittier it is, the more I could get behind folding here.

If V realizes we have a bunch of stuff like AT, then I hate a cbet flop, check turn, fold river line given description of V (cold calls light pre, never folds to the cbet, bluffs often). If we're folding on this runout, go back in time and don't cbet.

Because of this from OP:
I mean, if you don't buy that, then it's a clear fold

Are you guys serious? This is a clear fold. Either that or OP is just completely wrong in his read of this player. OP claims this guy is by far the biggest winner in the room, yet is implying there's a decent chance that the dude will float OOP with air in a 4-way 3bet pot so he can bluff the river. Fold. and if he bluffed you, then whatever.

I think it's a really weird spot to bluff but villain was never going to fold the flop on this texture. I think a bet on the turn might have been fine here but he is not folding worse and calls with better a ton so it's very close. I believe he peels to the river with a hand like 33 and i'm not sure if i want to give up UI on the river so my turn plan was to check and evaluate and call a lot of rivers.

As for villain planning a float flop/bluff line, it's very very typical for him to do this. He will never let you have a pot he thinks he can steal.

Villain knows I have suited connectors and weak aces in my 3b range so ATs is a hand he should expect me to be holding as it's a mandatory 3bet for me based on my style of play, and v knows it.

That being said, one of us should have king here in our hand.

As for how villain views me: I played extremely loose until the war of attrition started in the room and now can't play as loose as I used to because the player pool is pretty solid. V and I have logged a lot of hours and he has seen me run really bad lately but knows I'm loose pre and fairly tight on the river.

350 seems like an odd sizing to me for value tho

It sounds like you're trying to justify calling on the river and you did and he had it.

Problem with this hand is every street is pretty meh and there's no real solid strat applied except some gray area meta game and image stuff. Which makes it hard to analyze. There's at least 1 mistake if not more on streets leading up to the river, so most often we shouldn't be in the spot.

Pre 3b is debatable and not always necessary. Sure as a "lag" it looks like a great spot cause it's a pretty strong hand, but loses value in a looser game and sizing should be a little larger.

Flop also meh. We 3b pre so our range should be semi strong and it's a very harmless flop. Cbet becomes worse the more players there are and we're 4 handed. The decision point here is whether or not you're gonna go balls out this hand and rep something actually strong. It's just too complicated to range 3 other players here but that implies it's too tough to make all 3 fold a profitable percentage of the time. They all can have some 6x, most of the pairs, overs that are sticky etc. Again the laggier you are the worse the cbet. Id actually lean a little larger than half pot as you leverage people's stacks and ranges more and get less light peels.

Turn is easy as played. If we bet flop we have to bet turn. We are supposed to have all the large pairs and we're still the only player in the hand that can have KK AA and prolly most of the QQ. Plus by betting we keep control and take away villains weapon of bluffing the river. Also with our smaller sizing on the flop villain might peel sort of light so we need to narrow it again and keep the option of shoving the river. Didn't really go over stack sizes and stuff but flop+turn should make it so we have a natural river shove of 70-100% pot for value when we have it.

River is a shove or check back depending on how turn goes and what river is. A King we should always be shoving as it's all our range especially if he checks to us. The decision on random low cards will be whether or not villain folds middle pairs when we 3b, b/b/shove.

As played I don't think we win enough to call and his sizing seems valueish.

villain described in OP is so good that he has quite a few posters in here spewing off their stacks to him. why are we advocating playing back at the best player in the room? this is not the hand this is not the time. you said that a winning reg opened the hand to 20 then you 3bet to 60 on the button this guy cold called in the small blind. if he is as good as you say he is he understands the value of position and he isn't doing this with every suited 3gapper or 2gappers and i doubt that he's calling all suited connectors and 1gappers either you just got to let some of those go. he's probably calling with every pair though and suited broadway aces. hes probably folding KQos imo i mean i don't think you can make a cold call from the sb profitable with KQ no matter how good you are. im lost in this hand and when that happens i just fold. hell he could have AA or KK here, wouldn't be surprised. this just doesnt feel like a bluff to me. i trust my feels.

get a seat change. you don't want this guy on your left.