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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Flop raise seems bad (especially into 2 tight players). Don't hate a call if we think we can outplay opponent and still rep straights with our 8 blocker.
I am much less likely to do this heads up, having two opponents in the hand makes our raise look a lot stronger
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Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar
Perhaps I’m mistaken. I figured having a potentially live over and better back door equity would be preferable. I guess it would have made more sense to say having a one of our suit on board as it allows for better turn barrelling candidates. I just don’t see middle pair as a typical bluff hand. Can you explain why this is a good spot to bluff and what the realistic bluff targets are?
I believe you are mistaken, KJ blocks hands we want villains to have (KQ, QJ). Middle pair is a fairly common low % solver bluff, cause it blocks sets, has five outs vs top pair / overpair (vs KJ which has 0-3 outs vs TP/overpair). You're definitely correct that it is much better to do this with a BDFD, and since we don't want to be doing this 100% of the time with this combo, using only middle pair with BDFD is a good adjustment.
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Originally Posted by mr. degen
Don’t like it. You are repping too thin at this point and you still have position. Why not peel a turn and have more options.
definitely a decent option, to peel to turn and use our position. Just gotta remember that we're doing it to bluff future streets, and not cause we like our pair of 7s.
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Originally Posted by venice10
Trying to get LLSNL players to fold TP on a bluff is a good way to lose money. They hem and hah for 5 minutes, then say, "I got to see it" and call.
god, I wish this was the case in my casino. too many nits
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Originally Posted by Tanqueray
Tight player in EP doesn't have a ceiling in his flop calling range on such dry board.
Sure the bluff will work some of the times, but trying to end this hand on the flop seems -EV to me.
At $700 effective, what was your plan on the turn and river?
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I'm planning on firing OTT with a sizing that threatens stacks OTR, depending on which player calls me and what the turn actually is.
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Originally Posted by Tanqueray
How tight or more like how bad?
What exactly can hero represent in this spot given the preflop action and position?
Sets are not raising this flop, so 75, Q5, Q7?
If hero is routinely showing up with those combinations of hands, hero's image is pretty trash. Trash image will get called light as they should, depending on the quality of opponent.
If hero isn't routinely showing up with those hands, then it should be even more obvious to a competent player that hero doesn't have much.
It's a pretty crappy board texture to rep anything, so unless you got other reads or context, this is a silly spot. And if these spots are where you find yourself often, good luck beating the game.
sets shouldn't be raising this flop, which is not the same thing as them not raising this flop (and I'm not even sure that that is true, that sets don't raise this flop at any %, but I don't have access to a multi way solver).
No one is putting hero on Q7s or Q5s, maybe 57s, maybe 68s, maybe 89s.
I like raising this board specifically because it reps so little, and there are so few draws... unless you have an aggro/spazzy image, people tend to respect raises a lot on boards where you can't have many semi bluffs, and this board definitely qualifies as that.
Thanks for the wishes of luck with beating the game, I'm at $57/hour over 1200 hours in 2/5, so I think I'm likely to be a winner even if my sample size is too small to know how much of one. My post history is FILLED with hands like this - not cause they are how I play all the time, but because I like to push my limits of comfort and find new spots to gain a bit of extra EV. It definitely costs me money sometimes, but I don't play poker for the money, I play for the challenge and cause I love strategy games.
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Agree, especially someone who won't fold J8.
Also, how tight and in what way is other player tight? Will he ever fold AQ or better?
You know the sort of 2/5 player who plays a good range preflop, goes for at most two streets with top pair top kicker, doesn't get creative, and protects their stack a bunch even if it costs them an edge in some spots? He's that sort of player.