Hey guys, I am posting the hand here because we are deep and this 5/5 Game mostly plays bigger.

Reads on the Game: a few typical ******regs at the table and 4 spots. The villain in this hand rebought for 200€ after busting early and has had a sick run up to this point. The Game is just getting very active.

Hero: Villain should view me as one of the guys that plays poker frequently and knows many people in the room. I am friendly with villain and probably have a "neutral image" to him, if he even takes notes on the behavior of other players. I play Tag and sit on 1.5k

Villain: Young Rec-Player that I never saw before. Limps a lot but is able to give up on hands on later streets and sometimes even finds a fold pre. Looks smart, but isn`t a poker player. Uses weird bet sizes and has had a strong (relaxing, drinking smiling) physical tell when he flopped a baby flush (56) on 47Qccc (he limp called UTG, donked flop small and shoved over a raise and a call for 240€ and won againts a set in the end). He donked 65 into 190 with K3cc on 3454cc and called a big raise by a reg with that hand (500eff - Hand was good in the end). And he donk/f 50 in a 300€ multiway pot on 68TJss after limp-calling pre UTG and calling a 65€ contibet by a reg in a 6 way pot. Opened AA to 20 UTG and 3bet shipped (90bb) after another player raised his cbet on a drawy connected board (T84ss)


SB: Spewy guy that calls 3bets way to wide and tries to outplay others very much. He limp called in CO with Q8o vs my 6x BTN ISO donked flop 1/3 on J86hh and didn`t fold after a Potsize raise by me. Very weird and gambly player.

Action:

CO (950) Villain opens 15€ (made it 20€ when he had AA)
BTN folds
SB (1k) calls 15€
BB Hero (covers) A Q raises 75€
CO calls quickly
SB folds

Flop: 79Q 165€
Hero lead 75€
Villain throws in 130€ and is forced to raise to 150€

Hero asks if he wanted to call or to raise and he answers politely that he wanted to raise. When the flop came down he started to get nervous and breathed heavily. Very different behavior to what he did when he shipped with the small flopped flush

Hero calls after contemplating a nitty fold for 20 Seconds

Turn: 79QA 465€

Hero leads 315€
Villain shoves after 5 seconds 765€
Hero has to call 450€ to win 1550€

Standard Hand or would you play any street differently? I have the read that he is feels strong on the flop, but I am not 100% sure about it as an inexpierenced player this deep could make some fancy things without thinking about fancy things ..

it smells 99 if you posted the thread. AP cry call and rebuy.

I might be donkey but Top 2 HU in 3bet pot without any straight or flush on board it is hard to fold 1:3

easy to tell you to fold when i assume u post because u lost?

AcKc is possible there or Ac9c
ok there are 6combos of 77-99...

TcJc unlikely


Either U put him on trips u fold flop as u said
Turn only improved ur hand and getting a hand u beat to bet bigger (eg AcKc or Ac9c)


sorry i might be donkey but I dont know how to fold top2 in 3Bet pot HU without flush or straight there and somehow wet board

the only question here is a single or a double fist pump before shoveling your chips in

turn sizing is prty bad imo

Would you lead turn here? What do you consider when thinking about a turn leading game?

My turn lead game was basically non existent pre-PLO, but now I'm trying to build on it.

Whats the modern-day consensus on turn leads without initiative? I used to never ever do it, but I feel like I miss so much value with turns checking back. This spot seems like a good one to do it (although I dont think Id bet-call).

As for the hand...you MUST have a plan when you bet the turn. I mean you gotta know him shoving is very likely. If you tank here youre doing it wrong.

The Plan was to vbet against his likely Value range and i didnt Really think about b/f before he shoved over my lead. I Could have lead/f 180 ish. checking is Not an Option vs described Villain imo.

The shove came very Surprising to me ..


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basically what your saying when you start leading here is that this a is much better for my range now that your facing a raise otf leading this card doesnt rly accomplish much for us
you will see alot of good players use a small leading strategy with similar action...like if you c/c otf with a hand and now the board peels a hi, oop can now start leading a large % of their range for a small sizing for value/protection and then split range otr. this works nice in spots where you do have a hand like a3 otf 310x and you x/c and a peels....or if you have ahx and 2 flush board and you x/c w ahi + bdfd and a peels you can start leading and get some value and then balance your river ranges to do lots of diff stuff. but also if you have like top pair on like 943 from bb or smth like that, you x/c and the a turns you can bet like 1/4 1/3-pot ott etc.this also works well vs players who arent using a merged cbet strategy otf since these strategies will mostly involve doing lots of checking w a hi type hands

Turn leads confuse the sh*t out of people. Hand I played today:

H 15 w/77, CO c, BB c
Flop: J74r
H 35, CO r90, BB f, H c
Turn: 9h
H 200, CO c
River: 4c
H 350ai, CO tank calls

Pretty sure I might have gotten a turn fold in this spot if I b/3b flop and bet turn big, and as played if I b/c-check turn it might check through and then I won't be able to get my stack in. Not always the line I take but often leading turn looks super strange and can get light call downs or even light raises thinking your betting for folds instead of value.

When I read this sentence.

OTF
6 years ago the donkey me would raise u with ATC OTF - "put you on AK",
so against inexperienced player U Cannot fold OTF.

I think check is also an option OTF and see 5 street cheap with a thin value bet in between or induce bluff

but both bet and check are OK

OTT
I dont know why u bet the turn and so big - standard pot control check there.

U block AQ so u can mostly be called by better - so if we are playing for stack anyway (SPR =less than 2 OTT with top2 on 3bet pot) so check to induce bluff

some vilain might want to rep A there.

Yep. No raise pre-flop. What he had?

I think he had 99 if hero asks whether the call 450 to win 1550 is correct...

am i right?

Thank you for very insightful response

I'm impressed... this is something like 60% correct.

Folding here would be insane. Sorry he had a set. Turn lead seems okish.

whats 40% wrong tho

Trank you for the discussion in this Thread. I think that Leasing this Turn is a Must in Fishy Games where lower two pairs and draws could be checked behind. I Doubt that the Spots in the live Games i have been in would fold KQ here all the time.. Germany Would be pretty good for live Poker, if the rake wasnt as high as it is.

I considered folding OTF because of the strong live tell he gave off (very heavy nervous breathing). I called because i didnt Trust my read and thought that he could be inexperienced enough to do this with worse hands. On the turn i was just going for straight value and picked an amount that would make the river Card more or less obsolete. If i played my a-game that Night i would have lead 175ish and folded to the shove, because getting raised twice here screams strength.

In the end i called and villain showed QQ. NH Hand sir.

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once you lead the turn you are committed to the flop. When he shoves you're only behind sets. I feel that you are getting to good a price to call so you just have to ship it in there. If the villain is some super nitty old guy then perhaps there is an option for folding he is only rapping hands that beat you but in the long run yogurt to call. If you lead less on the turn maybe there's is a fold there somewhere but as played call.