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Old 01-25-2016, 07:45 AM   #1
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2/5 hand, non standard line 1200 Eff

My image is crazy splashy and awful. Eff 1200. There are 2 guys who have a clue in this game, 1 big fish , and of the 2 guys who know what they are doing only 1 is capable of moves IMO.

Ive been isoing fish relentlessly for 1 hour straight with little to no repercussions. Ive shown down a lot of crappy hands like T7, q6cc stuff like that. I got it all in with fish on Q635 his AQ to my 63 in a limped pot pre flop where i over limped the button, obv didnt win, so ppl have seen this.

The good kid (main villain in hand) reraised me 1x when iso'd fish from button i looked at him and said free money as i folded. He never 3bet me again after this and frankly didn't call many of my raises in position either. All of this happened over about 1hr 15 mins of play and my pre flop raise percentage was prob 40% over this sample. Hand in question. Fish folds gun, i open ATcc to 10(first time i did this) good player 2 to my left calls (described above) woman to his left calls (super passive and easy to read as does sb and bb.

Flop A95, chks to me and i decide to chk, good player leads 25, folds to bb(only other decent player in game who calls, and i call). Turn K(note im most worried about bb at this point) bb chk i chk kid bets 60 (sizing seems pretty small on 2 streets) bb folds we???

I want to be clear that is not a standard line i would take and the dynamic in the game where I'm raising tons of pots and randomly raise to 10 1+gun is an attempt to throw off other people. After hitting this flop I would typically lead, but i didn't this time to see what developed and figured everyone was pretty easy to read that i could proceed pretty easily after seeing action. Clearly my attempt to look weak pre and on flop is part of my plan. I think his sizing really weak on both streets especially gven what i had witnessed from him prior. I found the 60 on the turn to be particularly small. He was good, super taggy, saw him with poker income app on his phone under 25 yrs old and asian.

thoughts on how to proceed?
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Old 01-25-2016, 09:01 AM   #2
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Re: 2/5 hand, non standard line 1200 Eff

You're under repping your hand by not cbetting. V probably has you capped at KK OTF because you don't cbet here and most people will cbet with an Ax hand on an A high flop.
when the K rolls off OTT he probably bets small because he doesn't want to lose a lot if you c/r him.

AP I'm calling here and reevaluating river as whether to lead or c/c again. Probably not folding if I check river and he throws out another modest bet, especially because part of our range also looks like a very passive FD, so V may go for thin value thinking we missed our FD but hit a weak pair.

The only real problem is that we really haven't defined his range at all. Sure, he may 3bet AK/AQ pre because you've been loose, but that's not a guarantee. So AJ+, A9, A5 all beat us, how many other Ax hands are we really expecting him to bet flop+turn with? So while I said above I probably wouldn't fold, I'm not sure I expect to be good a ton if he bets the river. I'm really only calling a river bet if it's small relative to the pot
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Old 01-25-2016, 09:27 AM   #3
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Re: 2/5 hand, non standard line 1200 Eff

Why did you raise to $10?!? Just raise your standard amount.
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Old 01-25-2016, 09:47 AM   #4
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Why did you raise to $10?!? Just raise your standard amount.
Good point, I missed that it was 2/5, I saw the raise to 10 and my mind went straight to thinking this was 1/2
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:08 AM   #5
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Re: 2/5 hand, non standard line 1200 Eff

backdoor- i did this because when the fish wasn't in the hand the game was playing really small and i was trying to under rep/induce ppl to do things they otherwise wouldn't do. its amazing what a weird raise will make people do in live poker instead of a standard raise size or a limp.

Johnny- I get that you were thinking this is 1/2 but don't think it really changes hand dynamics much, other than the fact that the people we are playing against or main villain in this case may be more sophisticated/better than say a "thinking player" at 1/2NL
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:22 AM   #6
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:27 AM   #7
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:30 AM   #8
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backdoor- i did this because when the fish wasn't in the hand the game was playing really small and i was trying to under rep/induce ppl to do things they otherwise wouldn't do. its amazing what a weird raise will make people do in live poker instead of a standard raise size or a limp.

Johnny- I get that you were thinking this is 1/2 but don't think it really changes hand dynamics much, other than the fact that the people we are playing against or main villain in this case may be more sophisticated/better than say a "thinking player" at 1/2NL
I'm not sure that A10 is the hand you want to try getting this tricky with. If you do induce action you can't really play back and you are going to value own yourself a lot. Hence this situation, where you have gotten OOP with a weak but under repped hand and are facing bets from a villain that may be bluffing or going for value.

I get myself in trouble in these situations, I'm just folding turn. I think he's betting river a lot and I think he often has you beat.
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:51 AM   #9
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Johnny- I get that you were thinking this is 1/2 but don't think it really changes hand dynamics much, other than the fact that the people we are playing against or main villain in this case may be more sophisticated/better than say a "thinking player" at 1/2NL
My comment about thinking it was 1/2 doesn't effect my 1st post (post #2) - as I think 1/2 and 2/5 Vs will act fairly similarly - it was only pointing out that I didn't question your min open pre
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:57 AM   #10
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backdoor- i did this because when the fish wasn't in the hand the game was playing really small and i was trying to under rep/induce ppl to do things they otherwise wouldn't do. its amazing what a weird raise will make people do in live poker instead of a standard raise size or a limp.
I really think that you are out-leveling yourself. This is 2/5 live. Your opponents aren't poker savants. By min-raising, you are now going to be playing a bloated pot OOP against whatever two napkins the rest of the table got dealt.

As played, I'm folding. Bluff catching the turn and river is going to cost us about $225. I doubt this player has a high enough bluff frequency to make this a profitable play.
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Old 01-25-2016, 11:49 AM   #11
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Re: 2/5 hand, non standard line 1200 Eff

Ok I will go with you with this line and say just call.

Overall this Villan isn't your target and could still have you beat here anyway

I would probably c/c River and possibly show my hand regardless to throw people off but this isn't how I would play the hand overall
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Old 01-27-2016, 07:27 AM   #12
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Re: 2/5 hand, non standard line 1200 Eff

This thread should be stickied for how not to play low limit pokers. There is no need whatsoever to balance at this level.
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