Brand new 2/5 table, maybe the second or third hand.

V1: Old man, never played with him. Sitting on his initial buy-in of 300.
V2: Middle-aged Asian woman, never played with her. Sitting on her initial buy-in of 300.
Hero: 26 year-old white male. Sitting on my initial buy-in of 500 (max).

1. Pre-flop:
-Hero (MP): Folds to hero who raises to 15 with AdJd.
-V1 (Button): Min-raises to 30.
-V2 (SB): Calls 30.
-Hero (MP): Calls 30.

2. Flop (90): 8sJc4d
-V2: Checks.
-Hero: Checks (thoughts?).
-V1: Bets 40
-V2: Calls.
-Hero: Calls. I thought about a raise, but wasn't sure what's the point as I don't think V1 is calling with worse. However, I do think V2 will call with worse (just based on initial stereotypes) so maybe this would've been the optimal line: a raise to 1) get V1 to fold; and 2) get value from V2. Thoughts?

3. Turn (210): Qd.
-V2: Checks.
-Hero: Checks (thoughts?).
-V1: Bets 75.
-V2: Calls.
-Hero: Calls (thoughts?).

4. River (435): Ah
-V1: Checks.
-Hero: Checks (thoughts?).
-V1: Goes all-in for about 150.
-V2: Folds.
-Hero: ????

I was folded at the mini-3b pf with IO of just over 20 oop.

Fold Pre. You have a RIO hand; even a flop that gives you top pair is scary.

Snap fold the turn. Seriously, wtf do you beat?!

Only read title of post...fold.

Don't understand at what point we are supposed to be folding the hand. Just based on he is old he must have the nuts? Hand played right. Cant fold turn with the nut draw you picked up. You have a high two pair now. Call.

Fold the nfd getting 2 billion to 1?

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Thanks everyone.

Pre-flop: I think folding pre is probably a good move against this unknown and stereotype.

Flop: I think I should've bet/folded when checked to by V2.

Turn: I like my call here with mid-pair and the nut flush draw. There's a good chance this guy has AA/KK and if he does I pretty certain I'm getting the rest of his chips if I hit the flush (or even a jack).

River: The only hand I can see myself beating is KK, maybe AK; however, based on my limited info I don't think he's betting either of these on the river.

Results: I folded on the river. A guy (not in the hand) asked me what I had and I told him AJ. He said "I think your AJ was good." I then asked V2 what he had and he kind of laughed and said "You don't want to know."

Why are you telling people what you had?

I hear ya. Probably not the smartest thing but I just play recreationally and sometimes do this for no particular reason. Didn't really think about it but maybe subconsciously hoping it would start chatter about the hand and V1 would say what he had.

Just so we're all clear. This is the mortal nuts. Everytime.

That's what I was wondering - I only have limited live experience but I was figuring it was either the absolute nuts or a weird bluff.

Old man is not min 3betting pre with KT

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Lol I don't want to get into semantics but fine..."effective nuts"

He has AA here 90% of the time and QQ the other 10%.

Pre is a fold, flop is a fold, turn is a flat, river is a fold.

And yes the ole' (while chuckling) "haha I can't believe I got away with that one" is a super obvious and reliable post hand tell.

old man has QQ/AA every time... although his short buy-in leads me to believe hes even worse then a normal old fart. I cant hate on you too much for for calling the turn with nfd...but yeah fold the river all day.. sucks...i guess you could call and hope he rolls over the AK piece..but sucha small % of the time..its def a fold

i disagree that pre is a fold... you're getting too much to 1 on your money to not try and smash a big hand..you could muck the flop when old man c bets... but thats also tough to do.. AP not too bad..just fold river

My bad, didnt see we picked up the nfd on the turn.

I don't fold pre, but once you get past pf, you're seeing the flop to make the nf not to make tptk. That's a key part of the hand, same as playing 97s, you're playing that hand to make a straight primarily, flush is secondary, 2pair or top pair is usually going to end up being a 2+2 post.

As soon as Old Man min-raises pf we can't put the old man stereotype on him, I never see old men do that. Once you get to the river, I'm calling. But I wouldn't have gotten that far.

Jam turn.

min 3ball from old men are usually AIDS for anything in my hand other than AA. It feels like you are getting sucked in/priced in by the river since he only started with 60bb. However, Only hands prob in omc 3bet range we beat is AK and KK, and old man coffee won't shove with this wet a board and A otr with KK(even if he has already put half his stack in). At best AK, but behind JJ, QQ, AA and AQ. Omc don't usually 3bet qj, never k10, and rarely aj. It's easy to be results oriented but rarely have I been correct/good when I look Omc after they take these lines

Yea, I think that this is a fold pre. This same kind of scenario happened to me the other day, I raised to 20 with KQ and got min-raised to 40 by an older guy. I folded and showed it, he was nice enough to show me QQ.

AJ is kind of a similar situation to KQ. If the old guy's min-raising range is AA, KK, QQ, AK, and maybe AQ or JJ then you are crushed and you have no idea if your hand is good when you hit a pair. I think more times than not it won't be and you'll get in trouble. If you're going to play it, the only flops you can comfortably continue with are KQT, AJx, three diamonds or some big combo draw like Jdd.

Look what happened to you here, you called the flop and eventually improved to aces up on the river but still wound up folding in a tough spot.

I do really like your though process and your play throughout the hand post flop, but imo you should consider folding pre in situations like this in the future.

if in position getting these odds being suited i would call, but were not so fold.

as played fold flop

If you make it to the river I think you have to call.

I agree that pre is a trivial fold, but I'm not folding the flop to a weak cbet getting 4.25 to 1 with TPTK+back door FD. No doubt it's a marginal flop call, and I know this guy is an old man, but our read isn't THAT solid yet. I'm still holding out hope that AK/TT is still in villain's range especially given his flop sizing--and yes I know a lot of live players don't know how to size their bets, but whatever, marginal spot, I'm seeing what he does on the turn.

My plan on the turn is pretty simple: UI, I'm check/folding if the old man bets again even if it's another relatively weak bet. At that point I'm just gonna put way more weight into the fact that this guy just 3bet us preflop, bet the flop and bet the turn after 2 people called. Translation: at this point he has AK/TT here close to never.

Now in the actual hand we improved to a nice draw and are getting good odds, so yeah easy call.

On the river, I agree it's a check/fold. Although we are a 6:5 favorite against the old man's range on the river (JJ+), if we shove he's only calling when we're losing, and he's never betting KK if we check. So yeah, check/fold river.

If the old man bets the river, we beat nothing.

Fold pre being oop and lack of info. Old man is probably only min raising AQ, AK, 1010+. Old man does not cbet 1010. A small percentage of the time he may AQ, AK. Turn your calling to suck out on him here he does not dbl barrel here with less than AQ JJ+. River fold the only hand you beat is KK.