For one this isn't true...like any of it. Two I'm guessing your definition and my definition for ABC is drastically different. I suspect you think ABC is merely nut peddling. I think if you read through some of the better posters responses or pgc's and post hands you will find that identifying easier spots to pick up win rate shouldn't be this hard. Glgl

I know you are correct about this. But let's say he spaz-bluffed this flop. I might have at one point; shoot, I used to play with a banana in one hand and the bet button in the other. At what point does he wake up and say, hey maybe I should give it a rest? The answer is "never."

This is a psychological question.

The challenge is to stop looking at aggression as an emotion (which, no doubt, has it's own gratifying features) and to start looking at it as a tool.

Spew


He called your turn raise. Now you bet a value size bluff on river which they will call all day.

Grunch: seems like button pushing to me. This may be spew with reads but without them it certainly is. If he folded then its just luck since you don't seem to have any discernible range to try to bluff him out of. There are some prerequisites to bluffing. Pot Equity, fold equity, and image are all required to be known quantities. Since you don't have much of a read, you are left with unknowns. Oo many x's and y's to make this a good play.

i dont get all the hate in this thread.

the group think in this forum is pretty lol, i'll admit i enjoy reading it because it gives me insight into how a LLSNL marginal reg thinks.

sure, OP takes a very ambitious line in probably a bad spot. but his reasoning is sound and he followed up his bluff on the river with a good sized bet.

i personally think this line is better if he had something like T9 or KT, but whatever. its not the worst spot to apply pressure to someone.

The line is really FPSy.

The turn, as played, is fine, but flop and river are mistakes.

This is pretty close to the right thinking here. On the flop, I think this is a fold unless Hero sees people telgraphing folds behind him. On the turn, I actually think that this somewhat ambitious turn bluff-raise is warranted. When the Villain calls the turn raise, he very well could have marginal pair+draw hands that are one-timing the turn bluff-raise. So, the river is a mandatory bluff spot after we have already committed to bluff-raising the turn. So, I think bluff-raising the turn is +EV, but it is only +EV if Hero has the courage to bluff a lot of rivers.

And the flop call is still slightly -EV unless Hero had live reads that people behind him were going to fold.

spew against this type of V. I don't hate the raise on the turn but once V calls I would just check river, the 4 changes nothing so I can't figure out a hand he would call your turn raise with and fold to a blank river

This is ******ed. Aggression is right when it's right, and wrong when it's wrong. And it is often wrong. Sheesh. How many threads do we have here that start, "so I raised K5s from the small blind..." Well that must be OK! He was certainly aggressive, eh?

If aggression is your default option, you're losing money. If aggression is your style of play, you will win, but only against players that style exploits. If you learn to use aggression as a tool where it is appropriate, you will make money.

I get the feeling that OP uses aggression as his default option, and I suspect there is a reason for this.

The street to bluff was on the flop, not on the turn.

no. the turn and river are fine.

the flop is marginal.

a bigger mistake is raising the turn and then not betting the river. DUCY?

cause if you had Jx you'd raise with two people still left to act?

sure you can make an argument that a % of the time you raise with KJ on the flop. but id wager that you'd be calling and trapping more often.

You're right, the better play is to slowplay to the 3bb bet and hope we can trap 4bb out of him on the next street.

IMO, the reason the flop is a bad place to bluff is because we're always called when we have JX here. We raise for value knowing that Villain is calling unless he has complete air.

I don't mind the turn action, but I'm not following it up with another barrel on the river in this spot. When Villain calls the turn, he's not leaving.

And the flop call is total spew with players left to act behind.