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05-21-2014 , 06:29 PM
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Villain2 (SB, $400) is a regular. Super loose.
Villain1 (CO, $550) is new to me. Seems pretty straight forward.

Pre: Hero (BB) with T3o
4 limps

Flop (25): Jh Td 3h
SB bets $25, hero raises to $100, CO calls, SB calls

Turn (325): brick (like 5x)
SB checks, hero?

CO has about potsize bet left. Shove? If so, what do I hope to get called by?
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05-22-2014 , 02:07 AM
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Doesn't CO have $450 left and SB $300?

I bet about $250 here and be happy.
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05-22-2014 , 02:14 AM
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Shove. So many draws and TPGK...
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05-22-2014 , 06:43 AM
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As played, I think you have to bet 250+. You're kind of hoping they both have draws. I think you painted yourself into a bit of a corner with your flop raise.

SB leading pot on the flop is pretty strong. I'd imagine he has QJ+ at these stakes, even if you describe him as super loose. I don't like your big raise. You are only slightly above 50% against 33, two pair, QJ+, T + flush draw, and fd + straight draw. In addition you have 3 players behind you that might have 33/JT. I would flat and bet non-flush turns if he checks. If he bets, then you just have to guess. Depends on how loose he is betting postflop, you didn't really give us enough info to decide.
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05-22-2014 , 05:06 PM
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@Pew_Pew: Yes, he has about $450 left. I don't know why I said PSB.

I guess I was thinking if I bet 150-250, then essentially I have to call any shove which I won't be happy with.

I feel a straight-forward player won't be semi-bluffing turn here given 3-way and stack sizes. He should also know that SB is super loose.

@tw1n_k0i: By super loose, I mean he will donk/call flop with bottom pair. So I'm ok stacking off if I were heads-up against him.
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05-22-2014 , 05:07 PM
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@wj94: I can't imagine worst calling a shove. Do you?
If we put them on big draws, why not bet something like 2/3 pot?
But if we get shoved on, we begrudgingly call, right?
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05-22-2014 , 05:09 PM
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CO should have 425. I bet 200-240. The CO cold call is a flush draw A LOT of the time.
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05-22-2014 , 05:13 PM
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@beauvanlaanen: Yes, I think FD are a part of CO's range when he calls flop. But I assume a straight-forward player will check back turn that part of his range. Given that, do you think bet/call turn is still optimal to check/fold turn and bet for value on river?
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05-22-2014 , 05:53 PM
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@wj94: I can't imagine worst calling a shove. Do you?
If we put them on big draws, why not bet something like 2/3 pot?
But if we get shoved on, we begrudgingly call, right?
Random Jx hands, flush draws... Plenty of worse hands that can call . Plus, with the flush draw on board we may get called lighter because V can think we can have a flush.
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05-22-2014 , 05:54 PM
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@beauvanlaanen: Yes, I think FD are a part of CO's range when he calls flop. But I assume a straight-forward player will check back turn that part of his range. Given that, do you think bet/call turn is still optimal to check/fold turn and bet for value on river?
What does checking back turn have to do with anything? We haven't done anything yet...
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05-22-2014 , 10:29 PM
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Perhaps it's my definition of straight forward but I don't think random 1pair hands should be in a cold calls range here
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05-22-2014 , 10:55 PM
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since they didnt play back at you on the flop you have to feel you have the best hand here.
so on the turn you must bet it all at them. no way do you want both to come at you, only one perhaps.
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05-22-2014 , 11:14 PM
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shoving the turn gets a lot of hands we want to call to fold
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