Labeling something a “X-Street hand” is crazy silly and doing so only loses you value in the long run.

Yeah I really don’t understand this turn check blabber. This turn card gives people equity to call turn bets with. We aren’t going to Be blown off our hand ever. As you can see, he raises and we have one of the easiest folds ever.


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So you never X the turn with a Queen then?

If I’m afraid of the opponent having more 2 pair or straights in his range, or him blowing me off my hand, I am. Against straightforward dude like this (who isn’t going to check raise or check call donk a worse hand than QJ), why not bet? Hands like 44, etc just picked up more reasons to call us. And if this happens, we can just fold.

Now if our argument is that we get more value on river by checking turn, that’s a legitimate point (and this dude might be more willing to pay a bet off with 88 on the river vs the turn). But we have top pair. Betting cannot be that bad. It’s definitely not so bad as to induce the visceral reaction that it seems to have in this thread.


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Well we can bet some Qx OTF and OTT - we would just choose AQ/KQ always before QJ. And a hand like QJss before the offsuit combos.

If you bet the turn here - do you bet all non diamond/non A/K rivers?

Also if you are always betting a hand this weak then your checking range OTT is going to very rarely be calling a river bet.

I’m only betting if I river a Q or J. This bet is an exploit: I don’t think villain is capable of making a move here, so I can exploit this by betting more often. My bluffs show more profit with this strategy because I’ve little risk of being blown off significant equity, and my value bets also benefit because I can trim the bet / call branch of the game tree significantly, which means we get a lot of the upside of betting with a lot less of the down side.

Keep in mind that if we were against an opponent who can exploit us, and checking becomes much better.


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Right - it is definitely exploit. But why don't you think a bet flop/X turn/bet river could yield the same EV?

Or a X flop/bet turn/bet river line?

Both the above lines are more theoretically correct and should yield similar EV's. Also checking flop keeps more bluffs in our opponents range - where as betting folds a lot of his weaker hands out.

It could yield similar for sure. Against his 77-JJ hands (i definitely can see generic MAWG limp calling jacks), check turn performs better. That’s 27 combos though. I see these goobers show up with 64o constantly, and that’s way more likely to pay big now than it will be on the river; after all, it’s a pair and a draw.


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DooDoo doesn't care what his opponents do. He just plays his own range apparently with no regard to who he is playing or what kind of moves they are capable of.