Hero is in mid 20s, has been playing LAG. This particular villain hasn't been paying attention to this though. Has villain covered.

Main villain is tight-passive WG, more passive than tight. Rock steady kind of guy, never gets out of line, can't imagine that this guy ever gets tilted. Bottom line he's very disciplined, though not necessarily super tight - has shown down K8o for example. Has been on his phone watching some TV show for a good portion of the time since he sat down, but has stopped a few hands ago. One of those guys that's just there to enjoy his time. Villain has around ~600-700

It's Tuesday afternoon.

Hero has T7 in the BB.

Super LAG tilted fish limps for 5, someone in MP raises to 20, Villain in the BTN calls, hero calls, and super fish calls. 4 way to flop, pot ~$80.

Flop comes T65

Hero leads for $40. Super fish calls, MP folds, and Villain raises to 155.

Hero?

Btw, I'm inclined to say for sake of discussion you can more or less ignore super fish. He calls light and over-folds.

Such an easy snap fold pre flop.

As played hes likely shoving the turn so if we don't hit a diamond we'll end up folding or calling without odds.

Most likely hands are 2p, sets, and straights, with a bit of nut flush draw mixed in. You're probably getting odds to peel the flop if he'll stack off if you hit. So calling is likely fine. But really just fold pre.

And I don't like the flop lead. Little worse calls and little better folds.

IRTM has this figured out

$380/call it off

2 pr, sets and straights, on a T 6 5 flop.....hmmmmm. How is JJ+ not the majority of his range here. I kinda want to rip it in.

3bet or fold pre. Calling is garbage.

The only thing worse than the call pre is the flop donk. I have no idea what you’re trying to accomplish with that sizing either.

3! flop or fold are probably close. Not really the interesting part of the hand.

What hands would you complete from the BB with? For table dynamics, assume the table is on the passive side, a small number of 3-bets, and 3-bets typically take it down without a flop.

I agree I am removing the donk or at the very least changing the sizing - what would you do? Closer to pot I am guessing? My plan at the time was to barrel 3 streets since none of the opponents were the sticky type

Yeah I don't like the call pre. As played, looks like we are offered a ride on the variance train but given description of V I think it is a sigh fold. More sets/2pair than combo draws/naked flush draw in his range.

Pre is horrific OP, this is not even close to a call. Also it is no longer "completing" the BB since the pot was raised pf.

In this instance I would call like KQs+, 88+, AQo+. You should play super tight from blinds imo.

As played I am tempted to go all in and put an overpair to the test. You can't be in that bad of shape really.

Than you should 3bet

I fold this pre.

Edit: I thought V was pre-flop aggressor, but he's not. I probably just fold vs. someone who's tight/passive and usually more passive than tight. We can't/shouldn't be in a very good spot. You might ignore the fish, but V just raised two of us. We are not doing well vs. a set, and fish could have some of our outs -- and probably does. Best case V has a flush draw, and that's wishful.

Villain called a raise rather than three-betting preflop, which to me takes out QQ+. I guess if he's really passive, maybe he wouldn't three-bet with QQ? But I would think even someone passive usually three-bets QQ.

So maybe he has JJ, but even with JJ does he raise the flop here if he's passive?

I think the range is 65s, TT/66/55, some A X where I'm not sure what the lowest value of X is, maybe 87s. I guess it depends on if he's passive in a way where he would never raise a draw here.

eh, tight passive guys don't always 3 bet big pairs

Okay but I think even tight passive guys typically 3-bet KK. Maybe 50% weight QQ and 10% KK/AA?

I misread OP. Thought V was PFR.

Fold pre, don't lead flop, folding now.

Against described opponents, I prefer a 3-bet...call or fold prob fine though (if super fish is l/rr happy then call is bad...) IMHO I c/c this flop (I pretty much never lead this flop though might exploitative lead sets against certain V's multi-way) As played I call the flop, and continue on non- A or 9 turns...

Holdem, Generic syntax
Board - Ts6d5d
PLAYER_1 Td7d
PLAYER_2 Ad*d:5%-30%,6x5x,JJ-99,8x7x,AxTx,55,66
32670 trials (exhaustive)


All-in Equity

	Equity %	Wins Hi %	Ties Hi %	Wins Hi Count	Ties Hi Count
Td7d	58.7573%	58.6654%	0.1837%	19166	60
Ad*d:5%-30%,6x5x,JJ-...	41.2427%	41.1509%	0.1837%	13444	60

9 turns improve your equity, this V has a made hand, he doesn't sound like the type to do it with an open ender on a 2 flush board.

I like 3 bet get it in here as played. I would also fold 107s pre tho, not as bad as people are acting like tho. I call 108s.

I think this range is way too wide for V (tight and very passive, rock solid and never gets out of line) 3betting vs. two players.

lol this is a salvage operation...

Fold pre, don't donk flop as universally said. But now that we're here, I don't see any moves other than calling. Pot odds wise you're even money+ (2-1) with one card to come against most of the range (overpairs, two pairs), slightly behind sets but can make it work with implied odds if you bing the turn and V gives you one more reasonable sized bet.

Jamming for $425 more seems way too aggro to me, especially when we don't know V's range nor folding tendencies.

Fold if turn bricks of course. Maybe he'll MUBsy check behind and let you get lucky river...

Hero ended up calling, already knowing the hand was played poorly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Turn was 3d. Hero check. Villain check.

River was Kd. Hero check. Villain bet 1/3 pot. Hero called.

Villain showed Ad10x for nut flush.

So villain ended up showing up with the lower end of his flop-raise range.

OP, this game sounds like a complete **** show. Tighten up your game and valuetown these guys.

If you’re going to donk the flop why not follow it up on the turn?

You just let him realize his equity for free and then get paid.

+1 on lead the turn, V checks this back a ridiculous amount of the time. So much value missed here.

Snap fold pre
Don't like the donk otf
I'm folding otf if I'm folding ott most of the time, which I think I am.

Villain's button calling range could be something like: Axs, SCs down to 67s, some suited gappers, and pps 22-jj.

So this flop gives him all sets, some 2pr combos, some straight combos, a ton of pr+draw combos, with a couple over pair combos.

When we get raised this is further defined as he is repping: sets, 2pr, some straights, and the stronger pr+FD/SD combos with FD+2overs sprinkled in. All of these are likely firing another barrel if I call the flop and check the turn except the weaker parts of his range I would think, right?

I'll note there is another part of me that simply wants to rip it in, but we don't even know if we're live.

Actually, in the range I assigned above, there are actually a fair few combos of pr+draw and draws when compared to his value range, so maybe he isn't firing the turn as often as i was thinking?