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2/5 folding aces for 0 more? 2/5 folding aces for 0 more?

11-27-2013 , 03:06 PM
Villain in hand has been playing very strangely. He folded QQ face up on a J high flop vs a loose player because he said he knew he was going to be beat. Single-raised pot pre. He then open-folded AK pre out of the blinds face up because "he hates AK." I'm not making this up.
About twenty minutes later he calls a raise out of the blinds and fires pot on a J87ddd brd and shows T5cc.

V: bb $305
H: co $670 tag image

Folds around to hero, opens AA for $15.
Folds to V who calls.
Flop QT5 rainbow. V checks, hero bets $20, V calls.
Turn is off-suit 8. V checks, hero bets $60, V shoves for $170 total.

My friend who was sitting at the table said with V's behavior this is an easy fold. I think he's smoking something.
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11-27-2013 , 03:07 PM
Bet size better.
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11-27-2013 , 03:10 PM
Raise more pre. lol @ folding AA on this board for 60bb. How does V have $305 to start the hand and then shoves for $170 after calling a bet of $15 and $20? Does he have $205? Even more reason not to fold.
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11-27-2013 , 03:16 PM
$15 pre? That's a $1/$2 opening size. Easily going at least $25 here preflop.
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11-27-2013 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Raise more pre. lol @ folding AA on this board for 60bb. How does V have $305 to start the hand and then shoves for $170 after calling a bet of $15 and $20? Does he have $205? Even more reason not to fold.
You are correct, $205 not $305.
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11-27-2013 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tommyvercetti
You are correct, $205 not $305.
Pay that man his money.
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11-27-2013 , 03:31 PM
Criminal to fold for so low bb's. It doesn't matter about posture, reads, and v's when it comes to this low bb's, if you fold, you are losing money in the long run.
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11-27-2013 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
$15 pre? That's a $1/$2 opening size. Easily going at least $25 here preflop.
Agreed, I've seen villains call up to $40 to $50 depending on the looseness of the 2/5 table.
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11-27-2013 , 03:48 PM
I can't see a good reason to ever fold here.

The fact that he leads on the ddd board with XXcc means that he's just a spaz.
The fact that he folded AK to single raise means that he's no good.

Call it off here.
Andbet size better.
20 minimum pre, I'd like 25-30.
As played, flop should be $25+ since this board is drawish against most V's calling range of 2 broadway cards.
If we raised to $25 pre and got a caller we could make it $35-$45 on the flop, and we'd have $130 left on the turn and we could just stick it in. (Or check/snap call if for some reason we have a read that V will push when we show weakness.)
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11-27-2013 , 03:49 PM
I call here. Vill can have so many random hands here, for that amount im not folding
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11-27-2013 , 04:00 PM
Pretty sure once he shows that bluff he's never bluffing again. You're never ahead but your not deep enough to make calling that bad. I'm sure u called and he showed j9.
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11-27-2013 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadyJ1
Pretty sure once he shows that bluff he's never bluffing again. You're never ahead but your not deep enough to make calling that bad. I'm sure u called and he showed j9.
Above thinking process will not lead to a good place.
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11-27-2013 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadyJ1
Pretty sure once he shows that bluff he's never bluffing again. You're never ahead but your not deep enough to make calling that bad. I'm sure u called and he showed j9.
This might be true of a thinking player, but not of a random spazz who is proud of his bluff.

He's not showing you his bluff to change his image, or to get more action later, or to loosen up the table, he's showing you because he is proud. Because he likes to bluff. He will do it again. Maybe not in this hand, but certainly in the future.
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11-27-2013 , 06:43 PM
Fwiw villain has 205 in front according to your bet

I call because I'm a donkey
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11-27-2013 , 07:01 PM
I find a way
To have gotten it in a street earlier.
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11-27-2013 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
I find a way
To have gotten it in a street earlier.
I like your optimism, but I think we'd be hard pressed to find a good way to get it in on the flop.
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11-27-2013 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
I like your optimism, but I think we'd be hard pressed to find a good way to get it in on the flop.
Really? All you have to say is "all-in". Not that hard.
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11-27-2013 , 07:13 PM
Hyperbole is my ally but my point is you joule be looking to get all te chips in the middle as fast as possible.
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11-27-2013 , 07:17 PM
Having a hard time figuring out action / stack sizes, etc.

That's ok. Doesn't matter. It's a snap call.
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11-27-2013 , 11:59 PM
You guys just don't understand live poker this is never a bluff. He didn't call flop and wait till u possibly commit yourself with a turn bet before getting it in. The only way your good is if he's value betting worse or picked up a huge draw on the turn
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11-28-2013 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ShadyJ1
You guys just don't understand live poker this is never a bluff. He didn't call flop and wait till u possibly commit yourself with a turn bet before getting it in. The only way your good is if he's value betting worse or picked up a huge draw on the turn
This is a level, right? Please be a level.
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