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Old 10-23-2017, 12:52 PM   #1
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2-5 Flopped top boat. How to proceed.

Comments all streets welcome.

Came to this table 3 hours earlier, after previous table broke.

Villian to my immediate right is about 30yoWF. She has been giving me a lot of respect. At a different table earlier in the evening, she did overplay a hanf and doubled through me.

I had flopped top set with a 9 high board 973 rainbow. I had raised pf, she chk called the flop. On turn bringing flush draw she crai while behind and caught on the river she had A7s so had 2nd pair etc on flop. So meh. She was aggressive and got lucky.

At this table i have been chipping up steadily. One big pot i doubled through a big stack when he overplayed an overpair and 3 bets all in on turn after i caught top flush on turn.

But mostly I am playing small ball. Taking down pots in position, and gaving premium cards when getting to river. I have about 2800 in front of me. About 800 effective. She had left the earlier table before it broke with about 1400.

At this table I hadnt been to the river with her, I did 3 bet her a 2-3 times in position and wound up taking it down on layer streets.

I am 53 (is that old or middleaged lol?) White guy transitioning from 20-40 limit to nl. I used to pkay online, but know about 1-2 / month weekend trips...


Otth

One limper
Villian raises lj to 20 standard
I 3 bet black QQ to 60 in CO
Button, blinds and limper fold

130ish
Flop Q33hhx
Chk, chk !?

Turn
9h

Chk, chk?!

River 4x

She bets 60

After posturing ?!

I raise to 260?!

Thoughts?
I was obviously afraid of losing her if i continued earlier, and thought she would have donked the turn if she hit turn, or that my 2nd chk behind would induce.

I had almost always continuation bet in position but not always out of position. So my flop chk may look suspect..
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:21 PM   #2
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Re: 2-5 Flopped top boat. How to proceed.

I think you need to bet turn. I'd probably bet flop with a lot of my range so I probably bet this too but checking can be ok.

By turn I think we just need to bet to try and get 2 streets. Maybe bet 75 on turn

I like either c/b/b
or b/c/b
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Old 10-23-2017, 02:13 PM   #3
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Re: 2-5 Flopped top boat. How to proceed.

If you realize you're always c betting in position, there's a good chance she does too. It's one of the first things I try to get a read on when I sit down at a table. Bet sizing PF and c bet frequency can tell you a ton. 3 betting PF shows strength, immediately relinquishing that OTF can look awful suspect to a decent player. I'd c bet as usual. If she calls, check the turn, bet the river. If she folds, she's probably too weak to catch anything going forward anyways.


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Old 10-23-2017, 03:01 PM   #4
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Re: 2-5 Flopped top boat. How to proceed.

Agree with Medi on this. With flopped sets (or in this case FH), I generally live by the idea that for the most part, if a C-bet scares them away, I'm not likely to get much significant action from them anyway.
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:39 PM   #5
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Re: 2-5 Flopped top boat. How to proceed.

you played your hand very face up.

That board is going to be hard for anyone to hit, but I would start with a small bet - Maybe $50

If you do check flop, you need to bet small on turn.
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:43 PM   #6
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Re: 2-5 Flopped top boat. How to proceed.

3 bet bigger. Like $70-$80.

Bet something stupid otf. $35-$45
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:45 PM   #7
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Re: 2-5 Flopped top boat. How to proceed.

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3 bet bigger. Like $70-$80.

Bet something stupid otf. $35-$45
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:48 PM   #8
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Re: 2-5 Flopped top boat. How to proceed.

Bet $30-$40 on the flop. You don't really have much of a chance of winning stacks here unless she turns something, slow-played AA or made a loose call pre-flop with 3x.

As played bet small on the turn also to get looked up by gutters/AK/PPs.
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Old 10-23-2017, 05:57 PM   #9
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Re: 2-5 Flopped top boat. How to proceed.

1st off, sorry for all the typos. On phone with phat thumbs.

I agree eith most of the comments. Usually I fast play, and am alwaus wondering did I scare off value? The reality is it takes a 2nd best to make a pot.

In this case she had a 2nd best, but I failed to build the pot earlyy enough to win stacks.

She called my raise on the river, and was scared enough of the boat (really only QQ, cause any other pp, I would have bet)- that she didnt 3bet.

She had A high flush...

Doubt she would go anywhere facing a continuation bet on flop.

I think even if I bet small (having chkd flop) on turn, she probably cr, and I can flat and giai on river if not right there on turn.

Sigh. Butchered another one...
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