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02-12-2020 , 02:07 PM
Maybe two hours in so reads aren't rock solid but here's where we think we stand.

V1 OTB $285 MAG tight and not very aggressive.

V2 CO covers MAG looser with medium aggression factor. Limps too much pre from all positions. Seems to understand range advantage and has raised and outplayed some players post.

Hero BB $650 MAG tight aggressive pre, a bit too passive and trappy post.

OTTH: 3 limps to V1 OTB to raises to $30, Hero calls from BB to set mine with 55 assuming one of the limpers who covers will also call. EP limper calls, V2 calls. 4 to the flop.

Flop ($120): AK5

Bingo! Hero x, EP x, V2 donk leads lol small for $25. V1 calls. Board seems super dry here is anyone x/r? If there was a flush draw or straight draw I'd go for it but it feels like no one is overly interested and there really aren't any bad turn cards so we x. EP folds.

Turn ($195): AK5A
Hero x, V2 x, V1 $60. Given V1s tight / fit or fold play and small sizing we put him on KK+, Ax, all of which should continue OTR. Given his short stack we decide to flat again to try and keep V2 in. V2 folds.

River ($315): AK5A9
Hero x, V1 $170 with $105 behind. Hero? This may be a trivial jam but V1 is on the nitty side. Even OTB I'm not sure how much AJ he has. We are behind 10 combos of KK+, AK. We are beating 8 combos of AQ. I suspect he may check back some of his AJ- here but it's impossible to know after only 2 hours of play. If we give him all the AQ and even half the AJ combos we are ahead of 12 combos and losing to 10. Is it criminal to just flat here when it's close to 50/50 or do we just always jam?
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02-12-2020 , 02:12 PM
There is not a single move H made in this hand that I like....
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02-12-2020 , 02:30 PM
Since we’re in the BB getting 25/1+ IO pre is fine assuming A) you’re stacking someone (V2 only in this case as V1 is shallow) a very high % of the time you flop a set B) you don’t have to flop a set to win the hand. Influential RIO with these small PPs ofc as well.

Normally on this texture a x/c is standard as V1 is likely to continue betting IP OTT and you don’t need to protect against much but against this sizing I’m making it $80.

I’d be concerned facing a flop 3! since V1 has AA, KK but he also could be going crazy with AK or QJ.

I think I make turn $140. V1 has trips here a lot and I want to win the max vs that part of his range. He also may get sticky with 99-JJ, KQ, BD hearts vs. a smaller sizing

Snap shoving river
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02-12-2020 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
There is not a single move H made in this hand that I like....
So fold pre?
AP x/r or donk flop?
AP b/r turn?
What moves DO you like?
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02-12-2020 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Since we’re in the BB getting 25/1+ IO pre is fine assuming A) you’re stacking someone (V2 only in this case as V1 is shallow) a very high % of the time you flop a set B) you don’t have to flop a set to win the hand. Influential RIO with these small PPs ofc as well.

Normally on this texture a x/c is standard as V1 is likely to continue betting IP OTT and you don’t need to protect against much but against this sizing I’m making it $80.

I’d be concerned facing a flop 3! since V1 has AA, KK but he also could be going crazy with AK or QJ.

I think I make turn $140. V1 has trips here a lot and I want to win the max vs that part of his range. He also may get sticky with 99-JJ, KQ, BD hearts vs. a smaller sizing

Snap shoving river
Yea I considered raising flop due to the small sizing as well but V2 never has AK here and that's the player I want to stack. If V2 can make 2 pair or trips OTT then we can perhaps stack both players. Maybe we still have to go for it here but I felt like V2 was folding way too often to the x/r.

You mean x/r turn $140? Don't we still get the same value from trips OTR while letting V2 possibly come along cheap? Did think of x/r turn as well but didn't pull the trigger.
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02-12-2020 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
So fold pre?
AP x/r or donk flop?
AP b/r turn?
What moves DO you like?
Yeah I would have folded pre. Not just because flopping a set is hard but getting paid appropriately out of position is hard to do. Being 200+ bb deep makes it sound good but OOP sucks.

AP OTF I would have either donk led like a blocking bet or at least c/r’d. I feel like flop aggression is less likely to be believed than aggression on later streets.

OTT AP I definitely c/r as I don’t expect any A to fold. Probably $230-250. The open jamming any non-A, non-K River.
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02-13-2020 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Yea I considered raising flop due to the small sizing as well but V2 never has AK here and that's the player I want to stack. If V2 can make 2 pair or trips OTT then we can perhaps stack both players. Maybe we still have to go for it here but I felt like V2 was folding way too often to the x/r.

You mean x/r turn $140? Don't we still get the same value from trips OTR while letting V2 possibly come along cheap? Did think of x/r turn as well but didn't pull the trigger.
Yeah, I meant x/r turn $140. I'm confused at the stack sizes. It says initially, that V1 started the hand with $285 but it looks like they have $400~?

If V1 only has $170 left after his turn bet I think calling, trying to keep V2 makes more sense. If V1 has closer to $300 left, I like a raise.
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02-13-2020 , 12:25 AM
Fold pre because of position somewhat and small stack sizes a lot.

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02-13-2020 , 01:46 AM
Just to be clear:
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
V1 OTB $285 MAG tight and not very aggressive.
The flop with this villain absolutely sucks for us. AA/KK and AK are a huge part of his raising range preflop, probably. I'd be wayyyy happier if this was even A75 or K95 flop. At least it takes away half his premiums.

Either way I'm probably going broke with hand, since eventually AK gets there against us as well. It would be reeeeally hard not to put a ton of money in on the flop when the whole point of us playing a hand like 55 is to flop a set.
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02-13-2020 , 03:14 AM
Stack sizes don't add up. How does V1 bet $170 w/ $105 OTR if he started the hand with $285.

I'm usually raising flop because the whole point of calling pre was to stack someone. To do that we need to build a pot. But I don't hate the call given relatively few draws.

AP, I'm definitely x/shoving the turn. Most 1/2 types are very unlikely to fold *any* A here, especially when a flush draw appears, and the types who will fold an A here probably x back the river anyways.

AP, snap shoving river. Yes, we lose to a few combos of AK/KK/AA but there are plenty of AQ/AJ/AT to make up for that. All of those should be in a standard BTN raising range.
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02-13-2020 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Yeah, I meant x/r turn $140. I'm confused at the stack sizes. It says initially, that V1 started the hand with $285 but it looks like they have $400~?

If V1 only has $170 left after his turn bet I think calling, trying to keep V2 makes more sense. If V1 has closer to $300 left, I like a raise.
Yea got effective stacks wrong, betting is accurate he must have had a bit over 400.
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02-14-2020 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Kobold Esq
Just to be clear:


The flop with this villain absolutely sucks for us. AA/KK and AK are a huge part of his raising range preflop, probably. I'd be wayyyy happier if this was even A75 or K95 flop. At least it takes away half his premiums.

Either way I'm probably going broke with hand, since eventually AK gets there against us as well. It would be reeeeally hard not to put a ton of money in on the flop when the whole point of us playing a hand like 55 is to flop a set.
Wait maybe we are not playing the same game. "The flop with this villain absolutely sucks for us"??? We only flop a set 1 in 8 times. Let's not get too picky about exactly how we flop a set.

Yeah I get that there could be even more ideal ways to flop a set. But if we exclusively assign V AA/KK/KK then we crush 9 combos and are crushed by 6. Throw in AQ, which we most probably should, and it's still a high 5 the dealer moment.

Let's also not forget that he also can have QQ/JJ/TT In which case we simply scoop up all the preflop money. Such a crappy thing to happen.
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