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2/5 Flopped Aces up after 3 bet bluff, stack off? 2/5 Flopped Aces up after 3 bet bluff, stack off?

12-02-2019 , 04:06 PM
About 10.5 hours into a grueling session. In 2.5 buy ins and it's degen hours of the night / morning. Table has gotten very limp / call happy with a lot of players stuck and trying to chase to get back even.

OTTH: Unstudied but not clueless tight-ish passive opens to $15 with a standard range from HJ (he over-folds to 3 bets, and seems to open more often/wider in position). CO calls super wide vs this small sizing. BU is main V and is a dealer at another room I play at. He has everyone covered and also flats, capping his range. SB tight passive flats. Hero should be seen as tight aggressive with some occasional spaz. Hero is effective stack with $1265 and looks down at A4hh in the BB and decides to 3 bet bluff to $105 vs a bunch of capped ranges and a wide-ish and weak HJ open. Obviously we are folding to any 4 bet. Only button V calls.

Flop (~$250 after rake): Ac8d4s
Feels like the effective nuts. V should be folding A8, 88, and 44 here pre almost always. AA should be 3 betting in front of us a lot and 4 betting behind us a lot, plus it's only one combo. We decide to down bet to 1/4 pot but mess up the quick math and bet $45. V clicks it back to $100. We have a ton of JJ+ here that is scared of the Ace and the dealer V knows this. I'm a tight player in general so this dealer has likely never seen Hero 3 bet bluff a hand like this. Here is where we may go off the rails a bit. I'm putting V on a strong Ace here like AJ+ that didn't 3 bet. Since we are fairly deep Hero decides to 3 bet the flop to set up a turn jam. If we were in position I would just call and allow V to keep betting. Anyway we make it $300 to go. We are repping a very thin range of sets and maybe AK so we are ok with polarizing. If we take it down we may have lost some value but if we get called we can jam pretty much every turn card. Probably too ambitious but I also like it because it looks bluffy on a dry board. V tanks then calls.

Turn ($850): Ac8d4s 7c
We tank a bit and then jam $850. V asks for a count, tanks for several minutes. Counts it off. Makes the call.

Did I overplay the flop here or is this a fine aggressive line? I just didn't want to flat the flop raise then the turn goes x/x and river goes bet / call. If we do flat flop and V bets turn we have to raise then right? Otherwise river is even more likely x/x. It felt like the best way to get stacks in was to 3 bet flop in the moment. But maybe I'm being too greedy. Thoughts?
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12-02-2019 , 04:42 PM
i think you have to make it a little more preflop, like 130-150

its two pair in a 3 bet pot, so yeah we are going with this hand.

ace high flop where i floped two pair i would actually bet bigger because i want a-10+ to pay me a lot of money. so yeah i am betting like 180 on flop and 2/3rd pot on turn, jam river. (unless its a bad run out for us)

after betting really small and getting raised really small. its already a weird spot. i think what you did reraising is probally best. if he has a big ace he might still hang around. shoving the turn is alright too. i might milk him with like 390 on turn instead. but if he has a big ace he is up to 9 outs though, so i don't mind the extra protection i guess.

but, yeah the turn shove is fine i guess.
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12-02-2019 , 04:51 PM
In this game with these stacks make it bigger pf if you want this line. Like 125. And still expect one call half the time.

Flop bet I think is kind of terrible same with turn. You lose so much value and narrow villain's range to like 88.

Flop I'd bet like 100. So much of his range just totally whiffs here and the other part has pairs under the A.

He has some suited Ax but not a lot.
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12-02-2019 , 05:03 PM
Pre - Considering the degen hour, I like a bit higher pre, maybe $130-35.

Flop - With an ace on board, I'd go ~1/2 PSB. If he doesn't have an ace, very likely folding to most sizings anyway, and we get more value if he does.

As played, fine, NH.
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12-02-2019 , 05:05 PM
3b is pretty large, I'd usually go $75-95 with my whole range here depending on stacks with the other players and how I perceive them. As played I really hate the 1/4 pot bet on this board. V either has Ax or he doesn't, and he's probably not putting in much of anything with smaller pairs.

If I feel like V is going to have AK AQ here often, I'd probably just bet $300 on the flop and shove the turn. V is never folding AK on this flop and probably peels at least once with AQ, but isn't as likely to call 3 streets with it. You can easily balance in some bluffs here since V is unlikely to continue with much worse than AQ against this sizing, but on this board it's really the only thing you can target.

I don't know wtf V is doing with this raise size and I don't know what you're doing 3b the flop when you probably would never play AK/AQ this way. Once you get to the turn, you don't have any real choice but to jam it in there since the board is more connected now and added a backdoor FD that could still be in V's range somehow (unlikely, but people do really weird things).

Just a cooler if V had you beat on the flop once you get to that point, but I don't like the way the hand was played. Hopefully it worked out for you either way.
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