2/5 deep $1000 eff

V1 in the hand is an old (70-80) asian lady who I have not seen raise or 3! at all and she has been playing very few hands. My first instinct when she calls my bet is "aw f***".

i bet $25 with QK from MP , V1 calls , BB calls .. 3 way to flop

($75) K K 3 ... i lead $45 , and V1 raises to $90 ... bb folds ..

Folding is out of the question since we are getting good implied odds even if she has 33 or AK.

So it's really a matter of calling or raising. I'm personally just calling because I really don't have that much info about her to narrow down her range and I don't know what she will continue with if we raise. In general vs a villain like this I do think KQ is probably ahead of her range. I've seen some villains play a hand like AA or QQ this poorly, and even though she has been playing tight I don't necessarily exclude other Kx hands.

I prolly can't fold.
I feel like our hand it too strong to fold here.

But given the brief description I'm pretty sure that we can't be called by worse.
If you think she can ever call with AA/QQ/KJ then there can be a case for 3betting the flop. But I doubt that's the case.

So, call and check eval the turn.
Likely calling bets ~1/2 pot so, but likely folding to anything 2/3+.
Just don't see her bluffing here for $175+ on the turn.
Also, if she's raising to 'see where she is at' then she might check the turn. And if she does, I'm def betting ~pot on the river for value.

that is basically what i was thinking, so i dont think there is a lot of merit discussing this stage any more --

i just called,

turn comes 5 , i check.

V bets $150.

Pretty sure after you call she isn't getting screwy with AA/QQ.
If we think she can get spewy with K-x it is a call, except old nits should be mortally afraid of AK here. She isn't, so she (imo) is going to show up with 33 or AK a LOT in this spot.

We are getting about 2.5-1 on the turn, but I don't think we are good here that often.

I think the turn is a sigh fold.

I'd call and fold river to a decent sized bet.

i think we save or make a lot more making our decision on the turn here, as played shes generally betting river ahead or behind, we could be behind but if not our KQ is likely under-repped as played so flating turn just to check/fold river seems wrong.

without more info on V, i think its a call turn, call river for me...unless she blasts like $500+ on river...i dont think 80 year old lady has that in her with worse, i would expect her perceived 'value' range bets around $250 on river, if its a lot more i would weigh her much heavier towards nutty hands then 'pls fold' overbets...

Call turn.. Very few combos of AK and 33S AND quite a lot of combos of Kxs..that we crush.. Call turn and call river

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I call turn.

AK, 33 obv beats us but we are still ahead of AA and KJ and chopping with KQ. Even if she only had 1 combo of AA out of 6, I think its still a call.

Depends a lot on her preflop call range tho

Given your villain description, I'm giving up on turn when she continues to bet. The first bet could just be finding out of your c-betting or not, I'm not folding at that point. When this sort of nitty and probably never bluffing villain keeps betting, KQs is the bottom of her range. She might have some weaker KXs in her range, but they are not raising flop and betting turn, those are call down hands. With a better read on villain, I might even give up to the minimum raise on the flop against this sort.

There are a lot of villains I would call this down or call turn and fold river to a big bet. They are not nits though, and can have a lot worse KX and be betting it aggressively, betting a flush draw, playing a pair badly, or outright bluffing. I don't think this villain has any of that in her range.

this just seems bleh

In general I'm not folding to the flop min raise. Even a lot of tight fish will make these small raises on scary paired boards to find out where they are. Hero doesn't have a strong read on villain either, and if villain isn't as tight as they seem they could have a lot of hands here.

There are some villains that are just so passive tight that folding is always right when they raise with anything short of the nuts or a draw. On this board your hoping for a chop with KQ, because they are never raising worth. It just isn't worth sticking around on the off chance it is that one time a month they bluff or spazz out.

I would need a lot of history with villain to fold the turn here I think. There are a couple regs that I know that I would fold the turn against here, but in general, nits do the darndest things. Unless K9s, KTs, KJs aren't in her preflop range ever here, then I am calling the turn and calling any river bet $300 or less.

I think you are ahead reasonably often here and worst case, you still have 3 outs to improve against AK, and 7 outs to improve against 33.

i think this advice is spot on.

Seems like nobody had any objections to my checking the turn. I know what I was thinking when I checked the turn but I am interested to hear why people have no objections to checking here, and why we would go from leading to c/c and how that could possibly be best.

I called the raise OTF with the optimism of maybe binking a Q or a 3 on the turn since we are 200bb deep. I did not feel good about it but the thought "maybe she has KJ" did cross my mind.

Then I ended up c/c the turn. Why? I couldn't tell you really, I got married to a pretty hand. I sigh called, and then she bet $200 on the river and I called that too.

result:

On a drawless board a check on turn after the flop minimum raise is pretty automatic. Betting into them just inflates the pot, letting weaker hands get away cheaply and getting called/raised by better. If villain is bluffing you want to give them a chance to continue and if not you want to keep the pot small.

Against this villain the idea of betting the turn small might actually be workable. Bet into her for $100 or so and see what she does. Now your representing AK+ and if she calls or raises you know your beat. This won't work against decent or aggressive opponents but against a tight passive it might be one of those rare situations where betting to find out where you are in the hand is cheap and accurate.

When facing a seemingly nit range and a minraise which spells super strength (while feeling that a flop fold wouldnt be out of line), i would flat the flop raise and then force my betsizing to the river. Normally a non conventional line, but i would donk 110 on turn and if only called donk for about half pot on river. Folding if raised ever.

Her raising KJ and KT is questionable, therefore I wont play such a guessing game and checking and rolling the dice on folding, especially vs her bet sizing. I will choose the betsizes that are appropriate for my hand in this spot and if she escalates it, then we are behind.