Nice post.





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And I think playing KQs OOP against someone who appears to be very competent when I have no idea what they are capable of is a mistake. And, no, I don't want to put myself in that position. Why would I? Many, many hands are uncomfortable -- if they weren't, poker would be easy and not as much fun, and it would probably not be played for money. That said, why make it harder if I don't have to? I can wait a little while and figure this guy out to at least some degree and then put myself in much better situations against him. They might still be uncomfortable, but at least I'll have an idea of how much so.

I have no problem playing against players who are better than I am. I do it every time I sit down in my regular games. But, I have a good idea of how they play and I'm more than willing to get into "uncomfortable" positions with them because that's a lot of what poker is about and I know how they play.

Results oriented, but look what happened. I mean, we flop top-two. We aren't behind that many hands, and we fold the best hand (supposedly) because V outplayed us. If we had a read on V, maybe we wouldn't be here or maybe we would have won the hand. With zero read on V except that we think he's a good player, we are lost.

hey, in the end of the day, you guys can and should do whatever you want. I don´t think anyone is changing his game one bit just because of a post I make.

I already said what I wanted to say, and so did you.

to run good and cooler people, ldo

We flopped top two on the worst board for us to flop top two on, and the person who claimed to have bluffed us was not the actual villain. We're getting over 3:1 closing the action with a very strong suited connector. I am never folding pre

Its funny how these threads digress

There is very little EV difference between calling and folding this hand pre but there is a massive difference between leading/check calling/check raising this texture vs. villains range

Check raising is a huge huge mistake and everyone is concerned with what to do with K high oop preflop. I mean obv lol at folding but still.

Too funny, but very true.

If you gave Hero 87s and put PAHWM in the title, everyone would say obvious call, next street please.

And check/raise flop is terribad.

i had a huge leak where i was c/r'ing boards like this - there is no reason to C/R given villain's uncapped range.

As played fold turn.

Thoughts about flop:
Bifurcating your opponents range here there are the hands youre behind and then some hands your WA: you still have some equity against pretty much all the hands youer behind aside from weird cooler **** like KK/QQ - putting those aside, it makes sense in my mind to either ch/call and maaaaybe b/call flop aside from any absurd raises but I really dont like donking here and I dont think I understand what it accomplishes, so if you advocate a donk here please explain more what villain does w/ their range on this baord? I think ch/calling here is just way better considering likely ranges and tendencies and player description - sounds like villain is maybe not an idiot.

Also, if we want to comment on balance, I think top two on a board like this is a great hand to strengthen our check/call range.

Lol at fold pre - I think advice like that suggests a rather poor understanding of post flop play (tendency to go broke w/ top pair, over folding too often, etc etc)

There is little difference in EV pre flop in absolute terms but it is a FAR more common situation and it implies folding a ton of other slightly plus EV hands.

I definitely agree flop raise here is bad versus good players, and I shouldn't have done it here. Autopilot/being stoned for sure.

I'm ignoring pre discussion for now, cause I find it absurd.

Being stoned nice actually there are some merits to check raise pm me ranma let's talk more


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Could not have said it better myself. Good post

Slightly + ev hands dont matter in live poker.

Look, i took my gf to play poker for the second time last night. Earlier this week i gave her a sheet of paper.

Always raise first in JJ+AQs+ overlimp 22-TT QJs/KQs. In CO/BTN raise first in range expands to AQo+. Fold everything but KK/AA to 3bet.

You read that right, i want her to open fold AKo even in mp. For now obviously.

If she would have told me someone opened $6 and she didnt know what to do with KQs in the bb so she folded, i would have said "good job"

If she would have told me she check raised KQ on KQT my eyes would have gotten big and we'd have gone home and had a long lesson on ranges and relative/absolute strength.

She won $500 fwiw

There is an incredibly good chance ramma is a 45 year old male. Put it back in your pants.

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As for donking, just think about it. This is a great spot to lead.

This statement is an oxymoron and also is just blatantly wrong. While slightly +EV/-EV decisions have a much smaller impact on your winrate than massive +EV/-EV decisions, slightly +EV/-EV decisions that happen very frequently have an equally massive impact on your winrate; like smoking robot said, if he's folding KQs in this spot then he likely has tonnes of other slightly -EV leaks.

Yes, while you can make money in live poker while foregoing slightly +EV spots, if your goal is to make the most money possible, then you should not ignore them.

Also, your example of your girlfriend who seems to be very new to the game is much different than here on 2p2; this is a forum to improve your poker ability. The fact that some people here - with 6k+ posts and several years of assumed poker experience - were advocating a fold of KQs in the bb is a travesty.

Jarretman you make some good points but it's okay to fold KQ in the BB sometimes. It's not always a defend. Some of the guys were advocating to fold it earlier because it was vs an unknown V who seems to be competent and is a reg. Theres definitely some better spots to get involved in. Being a little results oriented it definitely would've saved us a big chunk of our stack in this hand.

Ranma is not 45 y/o white male. I think she is cute tuff competent late 20s early 30s higher level thinking player based on some of her previous threads/posts

And BTW I promise I am not a stalker or anything, just a regular guy who loves poker/money/women

Lets get it!!!!

I'm not cute. Also I have no interest in cis men. And I have a girlfriend. And messaging someone to ask if she's "the woman with large tits and a french manicure" is being a creeper.

I would really love to play in the game as with you sometime really sounds like a lot of fun. Me too. Can't believe you remembered.. I already apologized to you for that was just trying to figure out if you were who I thought you were. Glad we got it sorted out no hard feelings?

Gold

P.s the only way somebody getting me to fold kqs pre is by turning kk face up

sexalarm!

One more thing about folding pre... when you're playing LLSNL or 5/10 live you are more than often up against very, very weak opposition; even the "regs" are often extremely weak.

Even against the best players in the world you should not be folding KQs in this spot pre; against your typical 2/5 table you should absolutely never even consider folding. In fact, I would call much, much wider. Note, I play in a time rake game so it does make the decision lean a lot more to calling wide.

And yes, you can throw in a 3bet bluff pre with KQs here if you want to. It's just folding that seems ludicrous to me.

The solution to overplaying hands postflop is not to fold very good hands preflop, but to stop overplaying hands postflop.

He has AJ. Instamuck it.