Hi guys,

I think I butchered this one but would like to know your thoughts and how you would plan to play the hand on future streets.

2/5 1400 eff. Villain mid 20's WG. Has made a few weird moves throughout the session, plays a fairly wide range pf but overall seems ok. Likes to see a lot of flops.

Hero been fairly tight pf not got out of line during session so far.

UTG +1 limps
MP limps
hero BTN raises to 30 with 10♣️10♦️
Villian in SB calls 30
UTG +1 folds
MP calls 30

Flop (102)
10♠️ 5♣️ 6 ♠️

MP checks
Hero bets 55
Villian raises to 200
MP folds

Hero??

Would ppreciate your thoughts on where you'd go with this hand from here.

Thanks

I'm fairly new to playing that deep but here's my thought. V sounds like a guy I play with a lot, I think his range is heavy with combo draws here, along with 2P or possibly a smaller set. This deep, I'm calling behind and seeing how he reacts to the likely cards that he can represent helped him vs. total bricks. With your button raise and standard Cbet, you're range is uncapped and your hand is under repped. You could easily be playing this same way with AT or A-rag ss.

I make it $500-550. Not a fan of slow playing sets on drawy boards and I think the board actually hits his range a bit better than ours.

Shoving on any bricked turn.

What would you do with JJ-AA/AK-Jss here the times you want to continue. That tells you what to do with TT here.

This is especially true with him being OOP.

Villains range here almost assuredly consists combo draws, lower set, and bottom two pair. I'd discount the larger pp's due to lack of pre-flop 3! but they are also a possibility.

You really want to stack the made hands here. Allowing the combo draws to peel this card is a mistake IMHO. You have a huge hand and we want to play for stacks. The best way to do that is to get money in early. If you call the flop, there are a ton of cards that will either kill you action or put you behind.

Raise to $500 and shove the turn.

But if we 4! here aren't we costing ourselves significant value from his 2p and OESDs?

what is a turn brick? any card 2-9 completes a possible straight (granted 74s is unlikely) and any spade completes a possible flush.

do you shove board pairs too when he is prob drawing dead but may have perceived equity?

what other hands are you b3b here?

not saying b3b is wrong here, but seems like we are really only doing it with sets and mayyyyyybe 65 for value and we may not always iso-raise 66/55. b3b w something like the NFD isn't good because it makes it very unlikely our opponent is just drawing. Maybe we could do it w A5s, 87s, etc. but now our b3b range is identical to our opponent's continuing range, so how exactly are we winning?

when we b3b we're kind of turning our hand face-up and reducing our advantage in the hand.

on the other hand, seems like b3b with the nuts can't be wrong.

Let's see. 2p really consists of only 56, as we assume villain is not calling pre with 5,10 or 6,10. OESD's will likely fold to our raise, but will they really continue on a bricked turn? It is unlikely that we get significant value from the OESD unless we fill up. It would take a better read on villain for me to call flop. I would want a villain who is willing to triple barrel with air. Our hand is still too vulnerable to slow this down IMO.

given stack depth, i would raise here and flat with middle/bottom set.

reasons for raising top set:
-her get it in range is actually doing really poorly against us when you include her getting coolered with bottom/middle set (which is certainly in her range given preflop)
-while we may or may not be 3-betting flop with combo draws, doesn't mean we can't or it doesn't mean that villains cant think we are.
-she prob never has air here. she should be continuing with a large part of her range even when we 3bet her. so 3bet for fat value.


reasons for flatting bottom/middle set:
-this deep, her get it in range does pretty good against our bottom set.
-we can protect our AA/KK type hands

Grunch

I don't think villains who "seem ok" are c/r this board in a multi way raised pot. I think he has a value oriented hand or at least a hand with significant equity in his assessment. As Ava said if he is playing against your range it includes a bunch more than just TT.

I don't think flatting is bad but I'd generally 3b flop/try to get it in here with the toppest part of our range. Not balanced but I'm not convinced it matters.

Thanks for input so far... here were my thoughts at the time without giving up what I did.

His raising range seemed likely to be 55, 66, 56, combo draws, NFD... possssssibly JJ/AT? Obv sometimes there are complete air balls too.

If I call there are quite a few cards I don't like. Any spade, 2-9. If he has a lower set which def feels like a possibility given the action so far, there are also quite a few cards that could slow action and make it harder to get stacks in this deep.

3! Could blow him off hands like 7/8, smaller flush draws or bluffs he may continue to barrel off with.

Does this thought process seem sound enough?

Yes so you need to lay out the entire check raising range and then apply frequencies to what that range does to a flop 3bet and then apply diff frequencies to what that range does on all turns if you dont 3b and then you arrive at your answer which is probably to flat alot more than most would think.

But vs bad people (everyone) playing straight face up for value is fine too.

3 bet to 500, get it in while you're on top

I generally agree with you, but not here. This hand must be 3-bet. We have the current nuts, but our hand loses value on a lot of turns. Unless villain is capable of having lower equity bluffs here like 98 or similar, his bluffing range has significant equity against us and there's a lot of value in denying equity.

Yes, we often have overpairs/FDs when we flat and that gives us some incentive to slow-play and allow him to put pressure on that portion of our range on the turn, but we get value now by 3-betting against his barreling range anyway.

Villain is not hero-folding sets on the flop, and probably not folding T6/T5/65. There's little value in keeping our range wide in this spot.

Stacks are too deep and the board it too wet to flat.

$550

In 2018 poker the way to stack people, especially ones we have position on, is to allow them to keep betting, to a point where they commit, which will be ott in this hand.

There are not a million of bad turns. There are 10 somewhat bad turns. And 37 good ones.

When you let cards rot off in these spots you are drawing in a different way. You are drawing to miss, and you have ~37 outs that essentially stack villain.

I did initially think we had 1200 not 1400, which does make us want to raise flop more. I'm still flatting alot of the time.

I wouldn't be worried about blowing him off draws and smaller hands and I didn't see anything in his reads saying he's a big triple barrel bluffer. Raise to 575, and hope he jams. If he folds, than you weren't likely getting too much more from him anyway.

Imagine if you called, third flush cards hits, goes ck/ck, then you call a small bet otr only to find out it's set over set? Try to get the money in now, don't start to worry about folding out his bluffs since this is very rarely a bluff.

Only 4-9 really (or spades), unless you've seen him play hands like 74ss before. Your reads are crucial here - you have to remember what V showed down with if anything. For example I've yet to see an opponent at my stakes live would would raise 1.25x pot size with a weak flush draw and nothing else.

There are more safe cards for us on the turn rather than not, which is why we want combo draws to pay for seeing an extra card - if he whiffs the turn, you weren't going to get much more value out of him anyway.

Honestly, I’d just jam it in. I think he’s still calling with a lot of his combo draws, all of his sets, and 56. I think he’s more likely to find folds later on if you give him that chance - especially with his stronger made hands (sets and 56). Also, I think 500-575 still gives him too good IO with a lot of his SD+FD hands. Furthermore, 500-575 looks stronger than an instajam. But I guess you can’t have too nitty of an image to shove.

Thanks again.. I was totally on the fence at the time between calling (as I felt he would barrel the turn almost always) and 3! The flop to make it easier to stack off against strong hands.

I like it. I like a raise more than a flat and making it big is cool. He won`t fold sets anyway and there are a decent amount of turns that will slow him down.