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And this.

OP said he's aggro and splashy, not that he'll call overbets with flushdraws with one card to come. If he's likely to bet when checked to I might x/r turn.

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09-06-2014 , 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CRAIerrday

This

And this.

OP said he's aggro and splashy, not that he'll call overbets with flushdraws with one card to come. If he's likely to bet when checked to I might x/r turn.

But would you CRAIerryday?

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09-06-2014 , 07:59 AM

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I think I might bet slightly more on the flop. Maybe 185-200. Other than that you played the hand perfectly fine. If V had a flush draw, and you're betting 450 OTT with 240 back, he has to think of it as basically an all-in from you because obviously you're committed.

So, basically he's going to pay 690 to try to win 1290 in immediate odds, which is a pretty big mistake on his part. Unlucky if he got there, but you forced him to make that mistake, which will be your profit in the long run. Well played.

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09-06-2014 , 09:58 AM

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With our stack I might check/raise turn. I think we can check/raise turn and if V checks behind we can just shove and river card. If we shove turn I think V can get away from all his draws.

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09-06-2014 , 02:09 PM

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CRAIerrday

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

But would you CRAIerryday?

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Not on Mondays, otherwise yes.

Seriously though, if he can't help betting when checked to (including his flushdraws) then we can gii instead of missing value by overbetting. And if he has 8x then we're probably not getting three streets anyway if he checks back. Against a more passive player I'd go with a bet/bet/shove line.

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09-06-2014 , 03:51 PM

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Op whats your image? What would be your normal c-bet with say JJ?

Regardless, im probably betting 3/4pot otf since there's so many others in the hand. Villain would likely float pretty wide. 1/2pot is too low imo.

As played, Turn is a shove. Its ok that its a bit of am over-bet imo, for the simple fact that there's not enough left for a river bet. Even if V folds because its too much, Im ok dragging a 100+bb pot here.

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09-06-2014 , 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bulls_horn

What type of hands do you think V is "floating" with after we bet into a pot with 5 people in it?

And if he is floating, why are we shoving the turn?

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09-06-2014 , 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bulls_horn

Image is relatively tight and winning. My range here into 4 players is strictly KK/AA and AK. I suppose a super small % I will have AQHH but that is a rare occurenece since I will only widen my 3bet range slightly to iso the specific Pfr and will only rarely Cbet this flop.

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09-06-2014 , 05:51 PM

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floppinnothing

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Shoving turn is fine; it looks like AK, so if V has two pair you get paid off. If he folds, like mentioned above, you drag a nice pot and have a good stack to play with against V.

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09-06-2014 , 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bulls_horn

Villain is NOT likely to float very wide considering the amount of players in the hand, and that it is a 3b pot.
Also, you sound like the typical guy at the table who says he's fine when he takes down the blinds and shows JJ, not wanting to see a flop.

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09-06-2014 , 10:36 PM

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Grunch.

Looks great to me, NH. If you can take a b/b/b line and get almost your whole stack in before the river when you have the nuts, as you did here, then you should do that IMO. Obviously never folding the river for that price, jam the rest in. If he's got the flush, nh reload.

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09-07-2014 , 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowball2

You are in a 5 way pot. Your stack size is awkward and it doesn't leave you with room to fold on the river. People call way too much. You have top set and kiiind of want a double-up.

150 into 300 is not a good bet here because you are missing value.

And this is the important part: when you have top set, it is very, very hard to get value from other hands because you have blockers to all top pairs (only 1 Kx out there). The only hand you are likely getting value from is a flush draw here (unless you are coolering someone set over set), so you have to get the maximum value from flush draws.

Do you see why there is no point in keeping villain's calling range wide by betting less? Because as wide as they could be, there is just not much they can call with here. Thus, you have to think about how to get the most value out of flush draws, and i think they would call more than $150 on the flop. I probably would bet a little less than 225, but 150 is way too small.

Word.

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09-07-2014 , 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NoExcuses

Does anyone play like this without months of history with a villain?

After months of history with average 2/5NL opponents, you should be playing like this.

And if you're not, then ... psst... you missing out on value, brau...

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09-07-2014 , 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoLex

We want flush draws to chase with incorrect odds. We want weak kings to continue calling down. We want two pair hands that are drawing dead to continue losing money. There are only two hands that can call a turn overbet, so we'll be losing money in the long run by shoving here.

Agreed that flop sizing could have been larger to set up stacks on the turn.

If you're really getting that many folds OTT, then you should be bluffing your ace off... not curtailing your value bets sizing.

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