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04-05-2016 , 05:27 PM

tellypl

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 939

2/5 NL. Early afternoon, 5 handed as the table just opened 2 orbits ago.

Hero(550) Young white male have been playing ABC for 2 orbits

V(400) Younger white male who has overall been playing pretty tight for 5 handed, but it is only two orbits. No showdown hands

UTG limps
Hero is dealt K

in CO and raises to 20
V(BB) calls

Flop: (42) K

V checks
Hero bets 25
V c/r to 75
Hero calls

Turn: (192) A

V leads out 125 with 170 behind
Hero:

Too nitty to fold here? I have to assume given this line he was setting up for river shove, and I don't beat like any of his value range. Is my hand basically a bluffcatcher?

Last edited by tellypl; 04-05-2016 at 05:36 PM.

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04-05-2016 , 05:42 PM

QuadJ

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6,237

Annoying situation without a better read on villain. Some villains will go crazy here with any KX, others can be pushing a draw.

Given the board I think folding is fine. I'm not giving up on the flop but when villain continues on the turn you have to give him a very strong range. On the flop he can be raising with a draw but that is hard to continue with on the turn. Given your preflop raise, bet and call on this flop villain has to give you AK/KQ in your range. He can't expect you to fold on the turn, so that is the point to disappoint him.

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04-05-2016 , 05:48 PM

BadlyBeaten

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Why would you call OTF and then fold OTT? You just got square with KJ which is most likely, unless this guy won't 3-bet AK which seems silly 5-handed.

He might have JT, he might have the suited A

he might have the suited K

I don't really understand the call OTF; why not try to get him to release whatever equity he does have? Your hand is strong, but not really so strong that you want to let him see a card.

I don't see the point in playing this hand as if he has exactly KQ.

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04-05-2016 , 05:52 PM

RAHZero

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Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,706

I'm stacking off here. 2 orbits of 5-handed poker is 10 hands. There's no way we can assume based on that limited sample that he does this only with AK/KQ. If you had more history with him and he had proven to be a nit, then we can fold in this spot.

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04-05-2016 , 05:56 PM

diskoteque

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 30,420

I'd shove turn

If he's flushing you're letting him play perfectly by calling as he will never bluff on river with his short stack into 450.

If he has a king you're chopping and you're freerolling him folding cause he's scared of boats

If he has JT that's fine nh

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04-05-2016 , 06:05 PM

Dubey

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Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,844

grunch.

Weird spot. Your hand is a bluff catcher but none of his value hands make sense except maybe KQ? But is he really check/raising the flop with the stone nuts?

He limp/called preflop. I doubt he has QQ, AA, AK. I kind of expect him to show up with a weird bluff a lot of the time here. I probably shrug call turn and river and make notes.

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04-05-2016 , 06:07 PM

Dubey

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

after reading replies I like this answer better, to charge draws, and for the outside chance that he folds a chop. Doubt he continues with a 3rd barrel on his bluffs, so you aren't losing much against that part of his range.

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04-05-2016 , 06:08 PM

venice10

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I don't like the call on the flop. A tight player isn't going to have Kx worse than Hero does. Maybe he makes a loose K9 call, but that is about it. Against his value raising range on the flop, we're slightly behind looking at 3 clean outs to improve. That's the time to fold it. On the turn, it isn't even close. Easy fold.

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04-05-2016 , 06:57 PM

BadlyBeaten

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Originally Posted by venice10

I don't like the call on the flop. That's the time to fold it.

Huh? Villain may actually be c/r 100% of his range in this spot. Hero's small bet size is an issue. Obv. a sick spot, but think about all those JTs, JJ, TT, QJ, suited A

Hero practically induces a bluff and then folds? It makes no sense.

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04-07-2016 , 01:37 AM

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SoulCrussher

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Originally Posted by Dubey

Well said +1

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