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Old 03-03-2017, 02:18 PM   #1
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2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

2/5 with a $10 straddle

Hero: ($6k): Aggressive reg, image is defiantly LAG and maybe a little spewy.

V1: ($4k): 70 year old man who is a reg in games. Generally plays fairly tight but is not an OMC. Huge size tells (bets large when he thinks he is good) and very sticky. Also regularly limp/reraises with QQ+ at aggressive tables.

V2: unknown doesn't really factor into hand.

Straddled pot for $10, V2 limps in first position, V1 limps behind. I raise HJ to $50 with black 55, folds to V2 who calls and V2 calls to close action.

Flop: Kc9c5h ($165)

Checks to me and I bet $100, V2 calls, V1 check raises to $650, i call and V2 folds.

Turn: Kd ($1465)
V1 checks and I check behind.

River: Ac ($1465)
V1 leads $1k

What do you think about how we played the hand? Is call or fold on river better? I'm convinced that raise doesn't make sense.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:22 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

After calling flop and checking turn, you must call the river.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:27 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

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After calling flop and checking turn, you must call the river.
Is that because my hand is so under repped that he can value bet worse? If so, what are the worse hands that he's value betting?
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:33 PM   #4
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

Tough hand.


Given villains description I'm guessing he showed up with AA?! That explains his check on the turn.

I think your mistake was not betting the turn. If you bet something like $550 on the turn and he c/r than you can make a nitty fold, although not sure I can do it in game.

Is he capable of c/r a fd on the flop?
Have you ever seen him limp AK?

As played, I'm probably calling but not liking it.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:40 PM   #5
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Tough hand.


Given villains description I'm guessing he showed up with AA?! That explains his check on the turn.

I think your mistake was not betting the turn. If you bet something like $550 on the turn and he c/r than you can make a nitty fold, although not sure I can do it in game.

Is he capable of c/r a fd on the flop?
Have you ever seen him limp AK?

As played, I'm probably calling but not liking it.
Yes, your hand is very under-repped (and you are an aggro player). He could have clubs or a K. If he regularly limp/re-raises QQ+, you are behind 99. I agree raising is definitely not do any good.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:41 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

I am fairly certain that he would limp/reraise AA and KK pre so when he limp calls I think we can remove those hands from his range. I do not know if he would limp/call AK but I suspect he would, however I'm not sure he is check raising AK on the flop. I don't know if he is capable of check raising draws on the flop, but I do think it's at least possible that he would raise straight flush draws like QJ or J10.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:43 PM   #7
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

Seems as if a tight reg would check/raise a LAG on a K95 ds flop with AK. I would. Of course, you are crushed on the river if that's the case

(Edit: I would have raised pre w/ AK, and if I were to limp/raise pre w/ QQ, KK, and AA, I'd do it w/ AK.)

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Old 03-03-2017, 02:45 PM   #8
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

Our hand is super under-repped and I think Villain can be value betting with worse including flushes and trips. Call.
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Old 03-03-2017, 04:07 PM   #9
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2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

If V can play flop with a combo draw, of which there are 3, this is a snap call

If he can do this 2 of 3 times, it's break even

His range is almost always {99, K9s, QJcc, QTcc, JTcc}, but possibly not including the draws. We need 28.8% equity to call

I doubt V shows up with AK a lot here. If he's c/r the flop with it, he's going to barrel the turn with it too. Feels more like a FH

I guess if you want to feel good about your call, you could also throw in the GSSD/FD combos between 9 and 5
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:07 PM   #10
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Just curious: Why didn't you raise flop or bet turn (especially if you don't put him on KK and with your LAG image)? Do you put him squarely on 99?
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:11 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

This hand is played extremely oddly by V if he has a value hand OTF. This would make me add more combos of FDs.
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:12 PM   #12
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

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Just curious: Why didn't you raise flop or bet turn (especially if you don't put him on KK and with your LAG image)? Do you put him squarely on 99?
My actual first thought upon reading OP.
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:40 PM   #13
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

I'm not in the business of folding full houses. If he has 99, AK, K9 or AA then pay that man his maney.
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:53 PM   #14
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Just curious: Why didn't you raise flop or bet turn (especially if you don't put him on KK and with your LAG image)? Do you put him squarely on 99?
I thought it was a way ahead/way behind situation where he was either checking to give up or checking because he had a monster and didn't want to look too strong. In that type of situation I didn't want to fold out his draw hands and I didn't want to inflate the pot against his monsters. Mostly however I thought he probably had 99.
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:54 PM   #15
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

Spoiler alert: he did not have 99
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:06 PM   #16
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

I dont fold here cause theres a non 0% chance he has a hand no one even mentioned so far. We beat all these hands. Maybe like a 8% chance. Impossible to range many bad villains perfectly in llsnl, and thats a good thing. I call and expect to win about 35-40% of the time
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:45 PM   #17
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

Incredibly easy call without strong reads. I don't understand why we would consider folding, honestly.
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:57 PM   #18
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

I guess the real question is "bets large when he thinks he's good"

What is large in OPs mind? 1k is a large bet regardless of pot size, because 1k is actually a lot of money. 1k is also 2/3psb, is that large or does V bet large by betting pot or overbetting?

It seems like OP has a solid read but I think we could suss out more info from him
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:58 PM   #19
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Re: 2/5 Facing River Bet with Underboat

Call>Fold
This should be obvious...Villain can be betting worse hands for value.
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