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2/5 - Facing cold 4 bet with AA, what's our play? 2/5 - Facing cold 4 bet with AA, what's our play?

05-14-2019 , 07:46 AM
flat
then check any flop

if it goes c/c
check turn
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05-14-2019 , 08:08 AM
I am ripping here - if the shortstack was not involved I might flat, and then go for the check/raise shove on 90% of flops (I think that is what you describe in 1b)
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05-14-2019 , 09:21 AM
Seems like 70+% feel it’s definitely a jam here.
I don’t disagree, but I’m curious what you ended up deciding on C0rnBr34d?
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05-14-2019 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
Seems like 70+% feel it’s definitely a jam here.
I don’t disagree, but I’m curious what you ended up deciding on C0rnBr34d?
Sure, I'll share results. I'd like to give it at least a full 24 hours though. I'm also surprised the responses have been overwhelmingly to overjam pre. Would love to hear from some of the other heavy contributors: Amana, JohnnyB, Mike, Ava, SABR,...?

Last edited by c0rnBr34d; 05-14-2019 at 12:01 PM.
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05-14-2019 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
2/5 $1k max buy. Limited reads but hero is largely viewed as a nit or at least very tight aggressive.
Grunch,

Call the 4-bet don't fold on like 90% of run-outs embrace the variance train...
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05-14-2019 , 02:01 PM
Jam because you look super squeezy (even if it's perceived linear value) and with your AA he has less bluff-resqueezes avail/more value resqueezes avail.

Also, the flipside to that coin is that you jam because you actually have two aces, have AK perceived on some level, and he is less likely to have AK meaning you have more AK avail (when he looks at his cards and probably doesn't have an A) and as said above what 'bluffs' does he have that aren't Ax?

If he folds KK face up or some nonsense, then you win an 80bb pot and move along to the next hand. You don't need to start 5b bluffing AK because he folds KK either, just keep doing what you're doing and most times you get to jam the nuts and get called.

If you call, flop is just gonna go ck ck a lot, you're already insanely narrow when you 3b-call OOP, so just gii, it's not really an uncommon 'overbet' or anything.

Last edited by Amanaplan; 05-14-2019 at 02:14 PM. Reason: added thoughts
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05-14-2019 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Sure, I'll share results. I'd like to give it at least a full 24 hours though. I'm also surprised the responses have been overwhelmingly to overjam pre. Would love to hear from some of the other heavy contributors: Amana, JohnnyB, Mike, Ava, SABR,...?
For sure. I’m always interested in what those people think as well. Ignore my impatient ass.

(Pretty sure Ava is on a longterm break from posting though - side note)
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05-15-2019 , 11:15 AM
Thanks all for the responses, especially those that had reasoning included.

Results:

Spoiler:
Since we were OOP and I wasn't confident V would bet flop and I wasn't crazy about a x/b/jam line I opted to jam pre. Of course I witnessed my first cold 4 bet / fold and he didn't even tank that long (5 seconds tops) so I'm guessing QQ/JJ? I immediately felt like I had overplayed the hand but it sounds like it was a pretty standard move anyway from the feedback here. If V had more aggression / spaz factor or I was in position I think I would have played it differently.
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05-15-2019 , 12:44 PM
WP. Easy scoop.
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