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2/5 extracting value OOP with quads 2/5 extracting value OOP with quads

10-07-2014 , 08:04 PM
We all love to hit monster hands. It's fun, exciting, and oh, rarely profitable.

I'm posting this hand to see if there is any discussion to be had about extracting value with these magical hands.

2/5 1000$ max, stacks are 800$ eff, hero covers all. Hero's image is aggressive and 'lucky' at this table, and somewhat of a target.

V1- UTG+1, 30ish WM super loose preflop foreigner 'I always play 5/10' and is waiting for a table to start. Tighter post flop and aggressive.
V2- BTN, 30ish WM TAG but losing today, some to me. Kinda angry.

V1 limps, folds to BTN who limps, SB folds, hero in BB looks at QQ and makes it 30$, both call.

Flop: 7s3sQd

I take the lead to make this look like a standard Cbet, bet 40$. Both call.

Turn: Qc

Well, that was unexpected. I check, hoping to induce seeing that both Vs called the cbet. BTN bets 75$, I call, V1 folds.

River: Td

Crap card for me, I was hoping to get action from a flush or maybe an Ace.

Hero?? Do we bet? If so, sizing? Check again? Are we ever getting action on a board like this?

Is this too rare to even bother discussing?
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10-07-2014 , 08:07 PM
I thnk I'd check/jam here.

What can he really have here that would call a bet that isn't a monster?
Everything bricked. He can't have top pair. Should never have an OP.
So he's either got a fullhouse (un-likely just based on combos) or he's got busted draw.

Checking allows him to try and steal and or value bet, and then jamming ensures that we get his stack for the rare times he's got a boat.

Basiclly I think he has almost no calling range that won't bet here, and we has huge possible bluffing range. So, lets let him bluff.
Also, sizing is small on the flop I think.
I would prefer $55 here. It gets called with the same frequency as the $40.
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10-07-2014 , 08:10 PM
Flop bet is absurdly small. On a board like this, you're smashing the flop, so only 2 hands are going to continue with you:

A) Flush draws
B) Sets

Knowing thism, and with how deep you are, I prefer a 3/4 to full size pot size bet.


As such, I would bet turn, They don't know they are drawing dead, and sets are going to raise/call over your bet/shove.

River is close between bet and check. Betting could merit discussion since he could hero call with a hand like 99, but a check could get a 2nd barrel from missed spades.
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10-08-2014 , 12:44 AM
Check river to induce and nothing is calling you except "maybe" middle pps which is unlikely because no raise pf, and random tx's. Almost the only way to profit more is to check to induce.
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10-08-2014 , 12:49 AM
Check/Jam
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10-08-2014 , 01:54 AM
Bet flop bigger.

I definitely barrel this turn. It's a bad card to barrel with air because it doesn't change anything for mid pairs, which probably keep calling. FDs probably keep calling. Maybe the tricky guy tries to rep Qx if we're extremely lucky.

As played I go for the c/r. Missed spades might take a shot at it, 99 might even go for a value bet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thehelper
Flop bet is absurdly small. On a board like this, you're smashing the flop, so only 2 hands are going to continue with you:

A) Flush draws
B) Sets
Not true. Plenty of mid pairs can call us.
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10-08-2014 , 10:29 AM
I tried to bet the river, 150$. Make it look like I was trying to steal. No callers. Oh well. Not terrible for crippling the deck.

I didn't think I'd get another bluff on the river, the V was playing defeated and didn't seem to be bluffing much except for standard cbets.
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10-08-2014 , 10:58 AM
After checking the turn, I like checking the river here as well. It looks like we are trying to get to a cheap showdown and allows V to try to bluff you out of the hand.

Betting here would be weird after giving up the lead on the turn, so don't think we're ever getting called with anything other than a boat, which doesn't seem to be the case as we'd probably have been raised on the flop if that was the case.

Check, hope to god he bets and then GII and hope to god he makes a terrible call.
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