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07-30-2017 , 12:23 AM
Hand 1, 9 handed

Hero (1200) opens to 20 with KQ MP1, next to act flats, tight losing reg (1k) 3b from HJ 85, folds around

Hand 2, 10 handed

Hero (1400) posts from cutoff, 68

HJ raises to 15, hero calls, tough winning 5/10 reg (covers) raises to 65, fold

Hand 3, 10 handed

Hero (1800) opens to 20 with AJ from MP1, same reg from hand 1 3b to 85 from HJ and it folds around

Hand 4

Hero (1500) raises to 25 from HJ over 1 limp TT, Rec player (500) raises to 100 from CO

Last edited by JB Clark; 07-30-2017 at 12:32 AM.
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07-30-2017 , 12:32 AM
Hand 1: fold although I feel gross about it.

Hand 2: fold both times (or 3-bet the first time around if you want)

Hand 3: 4-bet/fold.

Hand 4: Would depend what type of Rec player he is, but probably call.


Edit: Oh, I see now that you posted in hand 2. Still think 3-betting is better than calling.
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07-30-2017 , 01:54 AM
1 always calling
2 fold pre
3 if you're deep call
4 depends on player, probably folding
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07-30-2017 , 07:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JB Clark
Hand 1, 9 handed

Hero (1200) opens to 20 with KQ MP1, next to act flats, tight losing reg (1k) 3b from HJ 85, folds around

Hand 2, 10 handed

Hero (1400) posts from cutoff, 68

HJ raises to 15, hero calls, tough winning 5/10 reg (covers) raises to 65, fold

Hand 3, 10 handed

Hero (1800) opens to 20 with AJ from MP1, same reg from hand 1 3b to 85 from HJ and it folds around

Hand 4

Hero (1500) raises to 25 from HJ over 1 limp TT, Rec player (500) raises to 100 from CO
I probably fold all four of these, it's my experience at 1-2, 1-3, and 2-5 that 3-bets are relatively rare and usually indicate strong holdings. KQs is a raise/fold to 3! because it's often dominated, same thing for AJs. 68s is fine to call a small raise with but you don't really want to play it out of position to a strong player who 3! you. In hand 4 a rec player 3! 20% of his stack. This is usually premium and you obviously don't have set mining odds.

If your game is different and 3-bets are commonplace on most hands I'd lean towards a call with KQs and a light 4-bet with AJs, still folding the other two though.
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07-30-2017 , 08:26 AM
It depends on how often you are opening. If you are opening way more than most people, you will get 3 bet a lot more than normal by tough players and you have to start 4 betting some of these hands instead of folding.

Id actually be most likely to 4 bet in hand #2. Mainly because the tough winning 5/10 player will be 3 betting there very lite.
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07-30-2017 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Id actually be most likely to 4 bet in hand #2. Mainly because the tough winning 5/10 player will be 3 betting there very lite.
But it's least likely to work on hand 2 since we flatted the original 3x open raise from an LP player. We'd be hard pressed to rep AA after doing that.
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07-30-2017 , 09:29 AM
This sounds dumb but hand 1 I flatted solely because I wanted to give this guy a little action. I dont want to be folding a hand this strong vs him. Not because I think its good vs his range but because we have played a lot and i want him to know i have a flatting range vs his 3bets. Sorta of a metagame thing.

Flop Ah9d3h

I check fold.

I know i am going to lose this pot most of the time because he will get spooked if i cc flops and he will start mashing the turn but he is so tight we rarely get into pots together. Really just flatting here to set up other hands. Im folding so often here. This might be the only unpaired hand i ever flat vs him but i am really just calling to give the guy a bit of action and to get him to open up his 3b range

Def dont mind folding in a vacuum

Will post thoughts and results of the rest later
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07-30-2017 , 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JB Clark
Hand 1, 9 handed

Hero (1200) opens to 20 with KQ MP1, next to act flats, tight losing reg (1k) 3b from HJ 85, folds around
This is close between all 3 options to be honest. Makes a great 4bet bluff, it's reasonable to fold it, and you probably have the right equity/odds to call. I'd probably 4bet or call it.

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Originally Posted by JB Clark
Hand 2, 10 handed

Hero (1400) posts from cutoff, 68

HJ raises to 15, hero calls, tough winning 5/10 reg (covers) raises to 65, fold
3bet > call > fold for the first decision.

Now fold assuming villain is OTB. Even if he's oop though it's probably still a fold. Just a lot closer.

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Originally Posted by JB Clark
Hand 3, 10 handed

Hero (1800) opens to 20 with AJ from MP1, same reg from hand 1 3b to 85 from HJ and it folds around
Assuming that villain covers you I call. 4bet isn't bad though.

Hand 4
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Originally Posted by JB Clark

Hero (1500) raises to 25 from HJ over 1 limp TT, Rec player (500) raises to 100 from CO
Call.
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07-30-2017 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
Now fold assuming villain is OTB.

Call.
Yes, v is otb
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07-30-2017 , 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JB Clark
Hand 1, 9 handed

Hero (1200) opens to 20 with KQ MP1, next to act flats, tight losing reg (1k) 3b from HJ 85, folds around

Hand 2, 10 handed

Hero (1400) posts from cutoff, 68

HJ raises to 15, hero calls, tough winning 5/10 reg BTN (covers) raises to 65, fold

Hand 3, 10 handed

Hero (1800) opens to 20 with AJ from MP1 (still on 1k), same reg from hand 1 3b to 85 from HJ and it folds around

Hand 4

Hero (1500) raises to 25 from HJ over 1 limp TT, Rec player (500) raises to 100 from CO
FMP
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07-30-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark
Hand 1, 9 handed

Hero (1200) opens to 20 with K2/5 Defending our opens:Q2/5 Defending our opens: MP1, next to act flats, tight losing reg (1k) 3b from HJ 85, folds around

Hand 2, 10 handed

Hero (1400) posts from cutoff, 62/5 Defending our opens82/5 Defending our opens

HJ raises to 15, hero calls, tough winning 5/10 reg (covers) raises to 65, fold

Hand 3, 10 handed

Hero (1800) opens to 20 with A2/5 Defending our opens:J2/5 Defending our opens: from MP1, same reg from hand 1 3b to 85 from HJ and it folds around

Hand 4

Hero (1500) raises to 25 from HJ over 1 limp T2/5 Defending our opens:T2/5 Defending our opens, Rec player (500) raises to 100 from CO
Hand 1: You're dominated a lot with KQ so I think it's one of the easier folds to a 3! in live poker.

Hand 2: You could call, but unless you both hit the flop it may be hard to get paid since your range is super narrow and it looks like you have about exactly what you do.

Hand 3: At least the tight regs I play with, this 3! size, assuming the guy in between you didn't call, either means a scared good hand, or KK+. So depending on your read and what he could have, 4 bet or fold. Though, AJ might not be the best hand to 4! with because you'd want him to have JJ assuming he can fold that to a 4 bet.

Hand 4: Not a lot of info on this. Were there any more callers? If he's a typical rec who only 3! AK and QQ+, it's an easy fold if you're going heads up.

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