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02-13-2017 , 11:30 PM

nexone

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Hero $2200 TAG/LAG
V $2500 TAG

2/5 Hero open UTG $20 KK

MP call, HJ call. CO raise to $135

Hero 4bet to $425

V 5bet to $850

Hero?

Can we ever find a fold here?

I don't think V is 5bet bluffing.

We only beat AK and QQ...8 combos of AK and 6 combos of QQ. He may not even 5bet QQ, but giving I have a 4bet bluffing range. He may 5bet a bit wider.

Should we Shove? Call? Fold?

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02-14-2017 , 12:12 AM

matzah_ball

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Flatting the 3bet may be superior given these stack sizes.

Your 4bet sizing is absurd.

Fold is an option, but we need more info on the dynamics. He knows you 4bet bluff?

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02-14-2017 , 01:01 AM

cicakman

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The old 85bb 4b/f from utg

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02-14-2017 , 05:37 AM

nexone

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

Flatting the 3bet may be superior given these stack sizes.

Your 4bet sizing is absurd.

Fold is an option, but we need more info on the dynamics. He knows you 4bet bluff?

How much should I 4bet? I don't want to 4bet a small sizing and give V good price to call + position. I think $425 is reasonable size giving the stack size.

Yes, he know I am capable of 4bet bluffing.

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02-14-2017 , 10:08 AM

water69

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He knows you can 4b light but is he the type that will play back or just flat with hands like QQ/JJ/AK? If you put those in his 5b range vs you then I'm just trying to figure out the best way to get all the money in the middle.

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02-14-2017 , 10:08 AM

keybattle

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Fold is an option.

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02-14-2017 , 10:12 AM

Dochrohan

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Flat 3b play poker

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02-14-2017 , 10:13 AM

water69

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We should have an idea of how he would react to our 4b with hands that we beat and then this equation becomes much simpler.

I agree with flatting the 3b without reads but it seems like you have some history with v and if we can get value or a spazz by 4betting then I like the 4b.

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02-14-2017 , 10:14 AM

soxfan43

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Guy to my left yesterday was in a similar spot and showed me KK as he mucked. Not quite as deep either. Insane, even for me!

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02-14-2017 , 10:15 AM

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Avaritia

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Originally Posted by nexone

I don't want to 4bet a small sizing and give V good price to call + position.

You've got the second best hand in poker in what will be a heads up pot

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