he's doing his tour of hollywood casinos and I happen to be at the same table as him. he's had prolly 6 coronas and seems like he wants to gamble a little bit at this point
hero is 23 looks young, viewed nit at this point, he prolly thinks I'm scared money.
hero $1400
money covers
hero utg+2 raises to 20 with KKh
money calls directly to left
bb calls
flop K9h7h
hero bets 40, money raise to 100ish, bb fold, hero raise to 375, money calls. thoughts on size?
turn 3h
hero ??? plan of action. more info to come after some responses

my goal is to stick in as much money as bad as possible and then gloat when I hit a boat on the river

its a pretty easy check/call imo

I end up check calling a bet of 350 ott
river 5 off. I check he jams

Gross. You've got like 7 left on the river and now there's 14 in the pot...wtf is he shoving though? Obv its either air or the nuts, I hate this spot.

Pre flop sizing a little too small, especially if he got in there with A rag hh. Man....this is ugly. The fact that he's half drunk and views you as a scared money fish might make me inclined to fall, but this could be a fold simply because moneymaker is kinda fishy himself and could be bluff jamming

I like your bet sizing.

Definitely calling $350 - you almost have direct odds drawing to a FH, with any sort of implied odds, you are there.

River looks like he is betting ~$650 and his $650 + $1510 in pot, pending your action, yes? ...hmm... only need to be good ~23% of the time to justify a call. However, without more reads on villain (short of netflix'ing the 2003 WSOP), I can't find a call here. The problem is, I can't see another set in his range - mainly because of his flop action and sizing. I would figure he shoves flop with another set. I also would figure AA would have 3 bet pre.. so what is left? A weird played AKo?... that would be optimistic. With any of those one pair hands I don't figure he would shove river. 97s for two pair??? probably not.
It really looks like a flush giving sizing on turn and river - pure value.

He has got to be figuring you for a call after 3bet on flop and you calling turn.

I guess I fold. But if any hint he would pull off this complicated of a bluff or have taken this line with a lower set, then I wouldn't argue against call.

I think we need to debate if hero should lead the turn. I don't know if checking automatically because the hearts came is the best move.

Brag.

Dude this is a sick spot. I think he puts you on a strong made hand though you are still underrepped. AK or AA. He knows you don't have the flush, so he can still be jamming for value with sets or maybe even 2pair. Also, if you've ever watched this man play, you know he is quite comfy jamming total air. It's literally how he won in 2003.

The fact that he might perceive you as scared money really leans me to a call.

Also at least $25 pre please.

I hope this ends with a further brag

turn I thought about leading cause I do have Kh but I was just thinking about puking when he jams because the turn has to hit a ton of his range pretty hard

Because of your image it's standard to just check here, but if you were aggro at all I feel like you rep air better betting the turn since you don't have much of a value range that will immediately c/f that turn.

I also just felt like such a fish at the time because I thought my hand was soooo face up

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I think a lot of the discussion on his range on the flop should depend on how much he values money at 2/5. Im pretty sure that he's not as liquid rich as most of u think because he didn't want to play "big" at 10/20 because he was asked about 100 times to start a 10/20 game. idk if that changes anything

Check/call is probably more standard on turn. His sizing ott helped us equity wise. What would we do if he bet 500+ here?

Fold river.

check/call turn, calling most rivers I am pretty sure he could show up with a set or 108 1 in 4 times.

Results?

Is this in Columbus or is he in Lawrenceburg now?

+1 to your hand being face up on turn. I think one can make a case for leading turn or even c/r. It's possible that he flatted the flop with a lower set if he thinks you have like ak or aa. It seems like you want to get to showdown at that point so he is probably value betting two pair + and busted straight draws. I would probably lean more towards calling. Although, it seems like a pretty big mistake if you're wrong.

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I'd probably fold river, such a gross spot. We're ahead of like AK and T8s, but he can have soooo many flushes.

This is what I was getting at.

Your hand is hugely face up, not as top set though. You look just like a couple of scared rockets or AK all day.

I think no matter what he has he would be surprised to see a set of kings here.

And no, AK and KK are not the "same" hand in this situation. He is 100% certain you don't have a flush with the line you took, he can be going for value with sets or thin value with 2pr. And he can also have air.

Does he have air or sets or thin value 2prs here 25% of the time? If so this is a call.

It is exactly bc your hand is so "face up" that I lean to a call.

Call

Heros hand isn't that face up either, might be giving villain little too much credit

He has lower set/2 pair too often

If he has a flush then whatever

He's also 6 beers deep, these stakes mean little to him, and he might just be screwing around

Worst case scenario you have an awesome story

Pretty sure 2/5 is in his br range. I'm calling the river with no reads. Tbh flop 3b to 375 seems huge. I'm calling the river fwiw

I think our hand could easily be AAh or AKh. I don't hate betting the turn but I just hate getting shipped on here.

Anybody consider just calling the flop raise and firing a non-heart turn? If he's lagging it up Money probably raises the turn bet with a pretty wide range and we can get it all in good (assuming a turn brick). It keeps our strength a little disguised and maybe we can pick up something from his bet sizing if the flush hits turn?

I should note these spots are rare for me though, my usual games are capped and don't usually get this deep. Gross spot though.

Tough spot yes, but I think you can call here enough. He knows you are scared of the flush and might have even figured out you have a set by smoothing the Turn. But he also knows the only way to win this pot is to fire out on the River, flush or not. I hope you have something good to tell us soon .. provided you have the bankroll to make this call. GL

T8 seems like a reasonable hand for him to make a play with on the flop or maybe he hangs on to a gutter looking for the heart to make a play if he's in drunk gambling moneymaker mode. you def. look like aa/ak after the turn action and nothing else to him i'm fairly certain. a smaller set also makes a lot of sense for him on the flop ( although i feel like he would reraise most of the time???, but if he views you as scared money, i can see just flatting your re-raise to keep you on your big pr/top-top)

i like a call mostly because your hand is totally disguised and he will be shoving weaker flopped sets(i Think he has) and the T8/missed straight draw hands possibilities and him thinking you can rarely make the call with AA/AK because of the quote above

...and i like the way you played the hand thus far

well at first i decided ott that i was gonna c/c turn c/c river. then otr i leveled myself big time thinking that i was over thinking the whole scared money aspect combined with that fact that i didnt think he could have air here.

I folded and showed him, he said i shouldnt but here u go and showed Ah8off. moneymaker bluffed me i didnt even understand his flop call but whatever.

he played today again and i was randomly seated next to him and i told him that most ppl on the internet thought i should call. he laughed then asked if i posted it on 2p2 and he looked up the thread cause he wanted to read your responses. kinda cool i guess

this is probably more results oriented than anything cuz i wasn't really sure what to do on river but i guess against drunk fish you kinda just have to stick to plan and c/c river. We should a **** ton of strength on flop and he views us as weak. Figures he can attempt to rep flush and since money doesn't mean as much to him as standard 2/5 villains he won't be worried about bluffing and losing.

That being said the flop play is very confusing and it's impossible to put him on Ahxx. Just get him next time