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2/5 Deep, Bluff catch river vs. tilted LAG? 2/5 Deep, Bluff catch river vs. tilted LAG?

04-20-2015 , 10:34 AM
Hero, young, TAG image

Villian, young, backwards hat, LAG on big time tilt, raising almost everyhand, 3betting light, straddling, he is somewhat competent though

$1,400 effective, Villian opens $25 from MP3, one caller from HJ Hero 3 bets to $100 with AQ villian snap calls other guy folds

Flop- ($230) J56 checks to hero who bets $130 villian snap calls

Turn- ($480) A villian checks Hero thinks and checks

River- ($480) 10 Villian picks up a $500 chip, hesitates like he's thinking of a sizing and then just casually tosses it in. Hero??
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04-20-2015 , 10:50 AM
You don't beat much, but not sure I can fold. Does he have any betting tells? (Big is bluff or big is big hand?)
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04-20-2015 , 11:00 AM
If he had a combo draw like JsXs or 78ss/89ss, does he raise the flop? Given your description, I would guess yes. Then, with your Qs blocker AND the As on the board, his flush combos are cut waaay down.

Still, keep in mind that since he's on mega tilt, he might have every single flush draw out there. Also, that river card isn't too great because he does have JT and some AJ, some TT (set), and maybe one combo of KsQs.
You are under repped BUT it is a board that hits the 3 bettor's range quite hard because it has so many big cards, so I dont know if he's bluffing that often.

Plus there is that live read of him casually tossing a big chip in, usually that's a sign of strength for various reasons.

I think it's really close. But I would probably fold.
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04-20-2015 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
You don't beat much, but not sure I can fold. Does he have any betting tells? (Big is bluff or big is big hand?)
No betting tells I picked up on besides the lob of the chip which I think is usually strength. He was literally raising, 3betting or calling 100% of hands however.
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04-20-2015 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by redrex003
No betting tells I picked up on besides the lob of the chip which I think is usually strength. He was literally raising, 3betting or calling 100% of hands however.
if he is really playing ATC he probably has enough air for this to be a snap call
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04-20-2015 , 03:34 PM
I play against a similar player, but he bets on the large side when he hits and smaller when he misses, so pretty easy to get away from him if you have to.

Can't really say what to do without being there, but almost everything but air beats you. I'd probably let it go (and muck face down!).

I would have bet (probably bet/fold) turn, though.
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04-20-2015 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by redrex003
No betting tells I picked up on besides the lob of the chip which I think is usually strength. He was literally raising, 3betting or calling 100% of hands however.
We've under-repped our hand so versus this particular villain I grit my teeth and call. By checking the turn we've invited him to bluff a wide range.
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04-20-2015 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt

I would have bet (probably bet/fold) turn, though.
I take a free card. Among other reasons, your hand is too good to bet fold. You hold Qs which draws to the second nuts, so I would hate having to fold to a checkraise because I would not getting the odds to call.
Furthermore, if you hit the river the villain may try to rep the hand that you have, and you can bluff catch easier.


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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
We've under-repped our hand so versus this particular villain I grit my teeth and call. By checking the turn we've invited him to bluff a wide range.
It's different here, as it's a 3 bet pot and our range is naturally stronger from the beginning being the 3 bettor.
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04-20-2015 , 07:19 PM
Everyone like betting flop vs this villain?

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04-20-2015 , 07:35 PM
Not a huge fan of CB if v is as sticky as described, we have a great bluff catcher and position. HU I check this hand almost always vs sticky V
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04-20-2015 , 10:52 PM
I'd call since this is one of best hands you're checking back turn with and you have the Qs blocker. If we give him a tight bluffing range of 78s, 89s, 97s, 34s that would just about be enough combos to break even on a call. I'd have to have a pretty good reason to fold the top of my bluffcatching range and there doesn't seem to be a good reason here.
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04-21-2015 , 02:26 AM
cbet not the best vs this type of guy

well you checked turn so you can call rivers and his sizing has polarized him, its mostly just flushes and air in his range now so i think we are calling, good luck

also him hesitating and throwing one single chip makes me lean towards the air in his range
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04-21-2015 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipRunner

It's different here, as it's a 3 bet pot and our range is naturally stronger from the beginning being the 3 bettor.
I'm saying the VILLAIN is bluffing a ton more now we've given him the green light to do so. He's on tilt so he's not necessarily thinking about our range.
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04-21-2015 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipRunner
I take a free card. Among other reasons, your hand is too good to bet fold. You hold Qs which draws to the second nuts, so I would hate having to fold to a checkraise because I would not getting the odds to call.
Furthermore, if you hit the river the villain may try to rep the hand that you have, and you can bluff catch easier.
If we are checking the turn, then I guess we need to call the river, although as stated, I don't see much we beat. However, this guy could easily be bluffing.
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04-21-2015 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by redrex003
Hero, young, TAG image

Villian, young, backwards hat, LAG on big time tilt, raising almost everyhand, 3betting light, straddling, he is somewhat competent though

$1,400 effective, Villian opens $25 from MP3, one caller from HJ Hero 3 bets to $100 with AQ villian snap calls other guy folds

Flop- ($230) J56 checks to hero who bets $130 villian snap calls

Turn- ($480) A villian checks Hero thinks and checks

River- ($480) 10 Villian picks up a $500 chip, hesitates like he's thinking of a sizing and then just casually tosses it in. Hero??
Did you check the turn to call the river? As played, fold. You don't beat much at this point.

I also think cbetting this flop without a made hand is a disaster. You are playing for a huge pot and AQ high on that board doesn't look so good when the villain snap calls your 3bet preflop.
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04-21-2015 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
I'm saying the VILLAIN is bluffing a ton more now we've given him the green light to do so. He's on tilt so he's not necessarily thinking about our range.
I know, and im saying that the villain isnt bluffing as much here because we have shown strength as the 3 bettor.

I think that while sometimes villains may not be able to understand the concept of range in that moment/overall, they can still tell that there is a lot of money in the middle and we likely have a very strong hand.

The reason that i think this hand is on the fence but I would lean towards a fold, is because we have better hands we can bluff catch with here. Since we are checking almost every hand except for a flush back on the turn, so we dont necesarily need to worry about being exploited. If hes putting us on a scared QQ/KK and tries to bluff us off that? Fine, we already have plenty of bluff catchers (AJ/JJ/AT/AA/AK and occasionally TT and KQ) to call him other times so that we arent really being exploited. (This is why we check the turn). Let him burn his G-bucks.
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