Hand 1.
Hero 500, TAG, been stuck all the session.
HJ 330, Tight passive.
SB 1200, has a wide-range.

Hero raises to 20 with QsJs in UTG, HJ calls, SB calls.

Flop 5sJc8h 67
SB checks, Hero bets 30, HJ calls, SB calls.

Turn 2c 157
SB checks, Hero ?.

Should hero keep barrelling there? Or just c/c?
Wonder what's a optimal act there for hero?


Hand 2.
Hero 500
VI covers hero, TAG.

Hero raises to 20 with KdJd in UTG, 5more callers.

Flop Qd 6d 3h 120
Hero raises to 60, VI raises to 200 in +2.
Hero ?
(As the Q came up, I decided to keep betting. But, Should hero c/c in this multi-way spot?
What's a optimal act there for hero?





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Oops.. the turn card of hand1 is 2s! My bad

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Hand 1 bet turn 100%, 2c is such a nothing card, you have the best hand an overwhelming % of the time. I still fold that hand pre UTG full ring but that's another discussion.

Hand 2 check/call flop. Too difficult to get a semi-bluff through 5 people, too easy for someone to have a Queen. Sometimes if they have a Queen (like this time) they'll raise us and make us fold. I also fold this hand pre UTG.

Yeah I should make my opening range tighter from EP.

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Hand 1 bet the turn and then check/decide river if your hand doesn’t improve.

Hand 2 I check the flop, and then explore all options depending on who bets, how much, if anyone else calls, reads, etc. I would imagine in a 6way pot that someone most likely has a decent hand, so I think check call is often going to be the best play.

#1) Hero doesnt have the best hand "an overwhelming % of the time" against 2 people. Betting turn is OK. I may check raise all in instead though depending on which guy bets. If it checks thru, that's not the worst thing.

#2) Why would you think the Q is a great card to bet into 5 players? The odds are high that one of them has a Q. This is another good spot for a crai on the flop.

#1) I tend to agree that you are good most of the time here with almost no fear that a card that improves will also beat you. Having the Js eliminates a lot of the bd competition IMO. Really no reason not to double barrel a 2 here as you are calling a shove and I've found that if you check here and try to bet the flush you rarely get paid at 2/5. Your hope on a flush is that the SB bluffs at it. HJ is not deep enough to try and bluff Turn into two players IMO, which means zero fold equity if you c/r ... which may be what you want anyway?

2) I think I'm letting this one go the c/c route multi-way for some pot control or c/r rather than leading out. If it checks through I may lead the Turn depending on the card but most weak Queens wont bet the Flop either due to multi-way and flush draws. Try to get there cheap and pick up a crying call on the River. 60 seems so weak from EP .. I have gone the pot sized bet here as well into this many players and gotten some Qx hands to fold out. GL

QJs is the bottom of my UTG open range if I find myself only 100 BB’s deep. This isn’t the kind of hand you want to find yourself playing for stacks with with one pair, which is often the predicament you’ll find yourself in this shallow and OOP.

Flop I would size up to $40-45. There are two separate OESD’s possible to get value from, as well as hands like TT, 99, 8x and gutters + BDFD’s that think this board misses your range.

Turn is a great card. Keep up the betting around 1/2 - 2/3 PSB. River then becomes a x/eval unimproved, often calling. If you blink the flush or trips keep betting. The Q is trickier because it completes the OESD. Might b/f that one or x/c.

Guys, the turn card of hand 1 is 2s. My bad

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Yes I am aware. Hence the ...

If you're opening UTG with QJs and KJs, you're not playing TAG and you don't have a TAG image.

Hand 1, I can get behind firing a second barrel or checking to induce bets from weaker hands. Checking underreps your hand, betting overreps your hand. Select based on your reads of the other players.

Hand 2, flop check-raise would've been awesome. Now we're in a terrible spot. Do you have any reads on the villain? Does he have a raise-fold range in this spot? If so, I can get behind a shove. If not, there's no shame in folding.

I would disagree with this. There is a big difference between playing QJo and QJs in EP. You need to play some hands that aren’t AK and PP’s from EP and sticking to the suites variety cuts down on the combos by 75%.

Now the whole point of playing them is for the implied odds of flushes, straights, trips and two pair, so in that regard I would agree they are far less valuable a hand when sitting on 100 BB’s when your goal is hitting TPTK type hands and doubling up.

Have to disagree with you here as well. You are basically saying nobody ever calls here with a hand worse than QJ which is simply not true. We bet small on the flop - we haven’t narrowed ranges much, and therefore we can bet moderate on the turn to get called by worse while still having good equity versus better hands.

Raising both of these hands UTG is very, very dependent on the table dynamic. These could easily be open folds.

H1: $40 on flop. Check turn on relatively dry flop with two callers. Try to get a 2nd street on river as your hand will look like AK. If TP player bets turn, I'd let it go.

H2: C/C flop. AP, let it go, not drawing to the NF.

I'm surprised to see so many 'fold preflop' opinions for KJs/QJs utg. To those who fold these holdings(even just sometimes), what does your opening range from EP consist of?

In both hands for pf, depends on table full ring. Sometimes fold sometimes raise.

Hand 1 I don't mind a check or 1/3 pot bet. If I bet and either villain raises I'm out.

Hand 2 definitely checking here.

Always be nice to have opnions here So helpful

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Hand 1: Your read on HJ is tight passive and he called your pfr and c-bet on J85r. Good chance he has you beat and isn't folding to a turn bet. However, you did pick up a bdfd so I like c/c'ing a bet on the turn. You could opt to check-jam if HJ bets, but without much money behind or FE maybe not the best plan.

Hand 2: I much prefer checking this flop against five opponents. As played I think it's a close fold unless you feel he can raise your c-bet vs the field with AQ, then it's a call.