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07-31-2017 , 02:25 PM
Villain is a weakish reg. 3bets a fair amount but nothing crazy. He's more linear in his 3bets. Not too much history with him. Folds too much post and pre imo

Effective stacks ~580

Pre: 1 post EP, LJ raise to $15, HJ call, CO call, V OTB raises to $65, hero in SB raises to $175 with A4hh, all fold but v who calls.

Flop ($405): AcKhTs

Hero check, v check

Turn ($405): 6c

Hero check, v bets $120, hero calls

River ($645): 8d

Hero check, v all in for $262, hero?
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07-31-2017 , 02:34 PM
Lol

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07-31-2017 , 03:12 PM
How can you possibly expect to get any meaningful feedback on this hand?
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07-31-2017 , 03:18 PM
If we were deeper, I wouldn't mind the 4bet preflop, but even then, we can only do this occasionally. With stacks as they are, I guess in theory we should have the occasional bluff here too, but there's not much playability post.

Post flop i kinda like your line but it's messy. If this were a 3bet pot i would like it a lot more. But with this being a 4 bet pot, we are VERY near the bottom of our range (QQ probly only worse hand). Because of this I'm generally check folding each street. Villain bet super small ott which complicates things. Does this guy bluff? What is he capable of?
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07-31-2017 , 03:22 PM
Well if we want to have a balanced cold 4! Range out of the sb then a4hh is a really good choice.....not convinced we need a balanced cold 4! Range at these stakes but ok, pre is therefore good from a theoretical stand point, but llsnl feels like money is being burnt.....
Feel like now we are in this position on the flop we should just go ahead and stuff it in here, we can never fold for less than what is in the pot now we have made tp, so may as well stuff it in while we are least have bdhearts....
If we were deeper here then your line would be better and then post flop get to showdown as cheap as possible, but with these stacks post flop herr is a retrieval stack off with tp, I woukd rather stick it In on the flop than dribbling it in over turn and river....
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07-31-2017 , 03:32 PM
Oh, yes .. wtf?

This is a good joke. I do this play on PokerStars with "play-money" when I feel playing slot machine using cards.

Let me think of a strategy that suits you. Just a minute,.. let me figure this out. Just,.. ..., ,..., just have patience with me because I'm a little slow but sure as hell there's a way to pull this off and take the pot away from this fish villain. Let me think the hand over and I'll be back with the right answer for you.

Last edited by outdonked; 07-31-2017 at 03:46 PM.
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07-31-2017 , 03:37 PM
Um is it just me, or is fold pre super standard here?
Any times that we could shove the flop for value here?
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07-31-2017 , 03:45 PM
If you're gonna click buttons then just rip flop and take your punishment
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07-31-2017 , 03:49 PM
We need to know how villain perceives you? Why do so many threads lack basic reads at the table, without them this is pointless.
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07-31-2017 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ronrabbit
Well if we want to have a balanced cold 4! Range out of the sb then a4hh is a really good choice..........
.........., Feel like now we are in this position on the flop we should just go ahead and stuff it in here, we can never fold ....
Oh, yes! a really good choice to 4! pre for 30% of effective with A4s from OOP. A fold of the A4s from SB in this situation will be horrible. A 4! of 30% of effective - Brilliant

The best choice I see on daily basis made by people coming to Vegas for their conventions while the wife plays slots and husbands play cards with the guys. Like man to man, ..., playing $580 stack with one-card hand .., you know.., wtf?

Last edited by outdonked; 07-31-2017 at 04:01 PM.
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07-31-2017 , 03:58 PM
fold pre

he 3bet to 175 out of his stack of 550 (leaving 375 behind) and you think he's ultra light?
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07-31-2017 , 04:16 PM
You can be extremely profitable playing 2/5 for the rest of eternity without ever making this play. Also, disagree that this is theoretically a good cold 4b hand
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07-31-2017 , 04:35 PM
what I meant to say is if he calls the 175 he has a psb left.
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07-31-2017 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
Villain is a weakish reg. 3bets a fair amount but nothing crazy. He's more linear in his 3bets. Not too much history with him. Folds too much post and pre imo
Pretty questionable play given this info - seems like you get to see him showdown his 3bet hands and not much else. That would make me think he isn't squeezing light too often and while you have a suit and a blocker, you just can't rely on getting the fold often enough this deep - and you need a lot of folds.

AP, once called you're obviously crushed, and your priority should shift to getting to showdown as best you can. That means you can't stack off and should look to ck flop, bet the turn really small as you might with value hands. I wouldn't want to ck-c any street.
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07-31-2017 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark
You can be extremely profitable playing 2/5 for the rest of eternity without ever making this play. Also, disagree that this is theoretically a good cold 4b hand
Oh, Yes, theoretically and practically it's a horrible play. But you know what?
Let's look into the depth of GTO-Poker and see if we can find some stink of this brilliantine play there. How about that? It could be a GTO pearl that we've been unaware all our poker careers. That's something worth to look into it.
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07-31-2017 , 08:38 PM
4bet is fine on occasion in this spot imo.

river is quite close but I doubt he's bluffing too often for such a small size
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07-31-2017 , 09:03 PM
bet flop 1/5 pot

as played probably fold river
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07-31-2017 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark
You can be extremely profitable playing 2/5 for the rest of eternity without ever making this play. Also, disagree that this is theoretically a good cold 4b hand
theoretically this hand is the nut 4b bluff hand (or a5)

whether you need to 4b bluff is another story, can probably play just play value w/ tt+ and aqs+
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08-01-2017 , 11:26 AM
I think in this exact spot villain is particularly weak and probably also 3betting 99+, AJs+, KQs for value along with some bluffs.

I think the 4bet pre alone is probably profitable. It's 175 to win 119 so I don't need that many folds tbh.

Also, villain or really most any player at 2/5 doesn't have a 5bet bluff range and is probably only 5betting KK+ and maybe not KK facing a cold 4bet. This means we almost always get to realize some equity and see a flop if he doesn't fold.

River is tough cause he'd have to be turning something like JJ or 99 into a bluff. I agree turn check is a mistake. Should have bet really small or just jammed. Once he bets $120 I think I have to call turn though
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08-01-2017 , 11:34 AM
Ran some hot/cold equities on a std 4 bet range and was surprised that A4s and A5s were the best hands to cold 4 bet light. I did not know that. 67s does pretty well too but doesnt have a blocker.

That is all i got
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