Wow! Commit 1/3 of our stack... second nut set on wet board...and there is a thought of folding?

I bet if villain exposed QQ you would think of folding...

Just because we are at or past the commitment threshold doesn't mean we can't fold. Commitment threshold is a shortcut/heuristic. You can and should use additional information to make more informed decisions.

+1

My experience as well.

"When we are beat, we are beat".

LOL at folding.

OK, I'll bite. What about this hand eliminates the villain having AK or AQ or 66 and narrows the range to QQ only?

I think the 4-bet shove from the loose passive is going to be very strong. Looks like you're getting something like 2:1, which is far from a slam dunk.

But I quoted the above because that pushes me towards a fold.

I feel like what he said is a very strong tell that he's (doing a terrible job) of trying to deflect from the fact that he has a set of queens.

Obviously when a loose passive 4-bet shoves 200BB+ here, we have to think QQ is a big part of his range. The giveaway in what he said imo is the fact that it's an incredibly nonsensical question for him to repeat back to you - of course hero doesn't have a set of queens. Hero would not be tanking - he would insta snap off the shove. The fact that it's 100% nonsense, that he knows you don't have QQ, and that the question seemingly deflective / defensive makes me lay this one down. Without that comment, it's closer.

This comment.

So you're telling me he cannot have AA?

grunching here


this is a call. It does seem as if Villain can and would play QQ like this, but so many rec players play AA the same way and...there are double the combos of AA available

Snap call and expect to see AA. If he has top set (extremely unlikely since AA/KK play same way as QQ here) then it happens. Set over set is rare and horrible spot but part of poker. Whether or not he has top set here, folding in this spot is -EV in the long run.

I only find the question compelling because of the verbal sparring. Would never fold otherwise due to the reasons already stated here by many. The problem for me is that I expect similar confidence from V whether he holds QQ or AA. If he has AA, he doesn't expect us to fold a set, he just wants us to fold draws or call with KK. Once we pause, he figures his hand is good with AA, so I wonder if his nonsense question about a set of queens helps us figure things out? If we want a tell we can use, shouldn't we say we've got a set of sixes and see if that makes him nervous?

Trivial call

Lol at asking him for info

V never has 66 here, at this point he hasn't raised a single hand so you think he's going to open up and raise a "small" PP even in late position? He's going to overlimp that ****. The only flush combo I can see him having is AK , remember he limped AJss on the HJ so he's probably doing the same thing with AQ.

As played, he has 1 combo of AK in which your 75% against, 6 combos of AA which your 90% against and 3 combos of QQ which your 5% against. Add in a combo of KK for LOLZ and it makes it even a clearer call.

Results OP?

Seems obvious. Hero called, ran into QQ and is now wondering if he should have folded after all. Any other result would highly surprise me.

Yeah because that's the only hand in his range. Good job. That's sarcasm btw.

I think he is just saying that if V shows up with any hand other than QQ this HH probably doesn't get posted.

Obviously that's what I'm saying indeed. I had already stated it was a clear call imo.

Or he folded and villain didn't show

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+1

This is pretty much what I thought when I first read this. The repeat "do you have a set of queens" question is highly telling. Also, it seems extremely unlikely (and I mean extremely) that this guy shows up with 66 after raising pre-flop.

Cacaw!

He limped AJs from hijack, I would say AQs is bottom if even in his raising range preflop.

He is never raising 66 preflop, period.

For AKss, how many players this passive (0 preflop raises, l/c preflop, only x/c postflop) suddenly bomb for 1k+ (keep in mind we also think he bought in around 200-300) with A high?

I'd maybe give you half of a combo of AQss, but villain jamming 700+ over heroes 3! seems pretty unlikely. Not to mention AQss has like 30% equity, which isn't even all that bad (we're calling ~800 into ~1500, which is a little better than break even here).

Putting 160BB in hoping to see AQss for the 5% edge is bad play, since we haven't even factored in the 3 combos of QQ which have you drawing to 1 out.