V1- is young Chinese man with his girlfriend railing him, he is friends with another player at the table who has showed some OOL tendencies (called 3-bet with 86o and tried to take it away from the 3-better post) however V has been playing snug and competent. has a little less than 1k

Hero is a mid-30s white guy been pretty card dead and dealers have been saying "hello, haven't seen you in a while" so if anyone has been paying attention they can tell I am at least a reg (whether that means reg fish or good, I don't even know ) Hero covers V by a couple hundred

5 handed, folds to V1 in SB who quickly raises to 25, I raise to 75 with J7, V1 calls 75

Flop: K74 (143)* *5+2 rake

Haven't played a ton of cash lately and use a polarized 3-bet range from BB in tourneys when BvB...so I would 3-bet AA-QQ,AxQx,AK some JJ,TT a little 99 and low-frequency garbage suited hands like Kx6x, Qx7x, Ax5x etc to balance it out...i just assumed he would be stealing wide from SB but that is just based on him being young and not chopping so no real basis


V1 checks, I bet 60 (would have liked 70-75), V1 calls

on this flop we have a big range advantage in practice and one in theory as well so I'm pretty much betting this flop with my range but I'm using a polarized range so I will have less suited broadways than a more linear range

Turn: T (263)

V1 checks, Hero bets 250, V1 calls

the turn is interesting to me because how it interacts with a linear 3-betting range is different than a more polar range, suited broadways have greater equity on the turn whereas my trash hands (non-clubs) are low equity give-ups on the turn. Both ranges have TT at some frequency. also his broadway floats picked up equity.

As to the particular hand, I am planning on checking the river back if the draws miss (seven will have some showdown against busted draws, and planning barreling many non-club scary rivers

River: J (763)

V1 donk jams 545, Hero???

So ignoring the 5x open size preflop J7s is the type of hand you dont really want to 3bet BvB cause its too weak to call a 4bet and not weak enough to not care that it has to fold. IME bvb at 5 10 or lower plays a lot tighter than normal bvb

Flop is fine to bet or check but we should be mostly checking. Rather bet 76s than J7s as it needs more protection.

Turn is spew just check back; our hand performs terrible as a bet

River snap call

The 3bet is a mix for me with the ranges I use (online solved ranges for 2.5x) but vs this open size I would lean more towards call. Its not bad at all tho. And I think it's a great hand to use because when we get 4bet it's an easy muck without thinking twice about it

I think we should be betting flop a little smaller and checking back turn. As played this is a puke spot but live villians are bad enough and do this with bricked clubs often enough to close our eyes and stick in the call

thanks for the input guys (was out of town), yeah agree on the turn was pretty spewy also live sizing is so random didn't know what 5x meant, it was larger than his normal sizing 3-4x but people go larger BvB...

Results: he did end up with AQss...also feel I got angled as it was our first BvB hand and later he chopped with another player who sat in between us, I asked the other player about it and he said he didn't know V.... So I guess 5x meant strength lol

Interesting hand. First off, I was going to say, if you have chops, then villains range will likely be stronger than normal (assuming you haven't agreed not to chop). So if you knew this for sure, you could maybe even fold preflop.

However, it's hard to know for sure. So in this spot Id recommend having a smaller 3b range than usual. I don't mind J7s as a partial but I'd want a bit better blockers/playability in this spot.

OTF, I like a smaller bet for protection or a check back to pot control and to balance checking range. OTT I don't like the bet much. Your turning your hand into a bluff despite not getting better hands to fold usually (esp since you block JJ). Imo if you do this you should likely jam river to try to get Kx to fold since the J becomes a good blocker. I don't think villain has enough flush draws for this to be profitable especially on a T turn where many will also have the pair. Hence, jamming river would be alright since you'd also fold these. However, this is likely almost a pure check back. OTR this spot is so annoying. People like never bluff lead here, however, I still like a call imo. Your large bet on turn weights villain away from straights and toward sets for value. That makes J7 one of your best hands. Also villain could spaz with a missed flush draw occasionally and have AK (or even AA potentially) a bit more often. Not happy when calling though.

Grunch: pretty sure we just want to flat pre, but 3betting isn't too bad.
On the flop we're gonna want to bet a lot, but I don't think 60 is a good sizing, probably go like $30-$35
Your described 3betting range BvB is too tight, and you don't want to have a J in your hand usually when 3betting in a spot where you also have a calling range, because you want your opponent to have a J in their hand

I hate your turn sizing, the T is a card that will put a lot of gutshots in your perceived range, and your sizing matches a hand like AJ or AQ that is just trying to force your opponent out of the pot. We have a hand with showdown value, if we're bluffing this, what is our give up range? Also if you get check/raised you have to fold a hand with showdown value AND with outs.

On the river, that's a weird jam, folding would be fairly exploitative I think.. to be fair, the check/call, check/call, jam river line is very often a nut type hand that is afraid you'll check back AK on this river, and like I said above, your perceived range should hit some nut straights on this card, so it is definitely complicated.

I would call, but expect to get shown TT or KJ pretty often, I just don't think we can fold this hand blocking the 77 and JJ set. Villain is never jamming worse for value I don't think, but blocking 77 and JJ is much better than having a K in our hand, so I like this as a call over a hand like KT