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NL 1/2 baby flush vs crazy lag NL 1/2 baby flush vs crazy lag

08-21-2017 , 01:34 AM
Villain: crazy Asian woman who was raising preflop 50%+ hands in the last 30 minutes and her open raise was $15. She was 3-betting a lot, cont bet 100% flops.
7 handed game. I'm the button with 6h4h, my image should be tag.

Villain HJ ($220): raise to $15
Hero button ($500) 64 calls
Bb ($80) (fish) calls

Flop: Q82

Checked to me and I bet $20

Bb goes all in for $65.
Villain is all in for $185.

Hero?

Last edited by Ofigella; 08-21-2017 at 01:44 AM.
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08-21-2017 , 01:51 AM
Fold pre
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08-21-2017 , 01:53 AM
Really... image should be "tag" as I anti-tag call a 7x raise w less than 15x implied odds w 64s. We really need to stop w this incorrect labeling of ourselves and our v's.
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08-21-2017 , 02:06 AM
I called because she won't stop betting if I flop good (at least that's what I saw from the time I watched her). I was card dead all night too. And against a lag it's better to play small suited connectors vs big cards, that advice is from Jonathan Little. I called in position. Those were my reasons to call.
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08-21-2017 , 02:08 AM
I'm asking for advice as played. Please.
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08-21-2017 , 02:31 AM
Well that's pretty weird. She was c betting 100% of flops but checked this one. I'd be a little worried about that but I'm pretty sure this is an easy call
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08-21-2017 , 02:36 AM
You need to make a call there. It isn't unlikely that she has one heart and you could pay it off, but either you need to make a new plan and not loosen up to try to take her stack or call the bet. If you got an underflush then so be it, live with it. It is unlikely to flop a flush and even more unlikely to flop an underflush. Your main problem here is her one heart hands.
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08-21-2017 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by wck117
Well that's pretty weird. She was c betting 100% of flops but checked this one. I'd be a little worried about that but I'm pretty sure this is an easy call
Yes, exactly my thoughts. Why would she check if she bet all the time. What can she check there and move in with besides the nuts? The small stack is easy to figure out what he's got. But what is her range?
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08-21-2017 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ofigella
Yes, exactly my thoughts. Why would she check if she bet all the time. What can she check there and move in with besides the nuts? The small stack is easy to figure out what he's got. But what is her range?
I think putting a player that is raising 50% of hands on the nuts just because she checked is a bit rash. She could easily decide to check a Q there just because she is exhausted from betting so much.

You need to realize how unlikely it is to flop a flush with an overflush.
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08-21-2017 , 02:57 AM
Also, a player like her will check a flush board and then shove a pair or two pair to a bet. It is a spew of sorts. She may be protecting herself from one heart hands by shoving.

Last edited by Hrmmmm; 08-21-2017 at 03:06 AM.
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08-21-2017 , 11:13 AM
I don't mind the call pre vs. this player, but now that you are here, you can't fold, especially after the tiny flop bet. If you weren't betting so small to induce, why were you betting? If all goes well, they both have a big heart (and don't hit).
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08-21-2017 , 11:16 AM
fold pre - as played snap call
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08-21-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I don't mind the call pre vs. this player, but now that you are here, you can't fold, especially after the tiny flop bet. If you weren't betting so small to induce, why were you betting? If all goes well, they both have a big heart (and don't hit).
I'm actually not sure how much I bet... I know that it was close to 2/3, so must be $30..... It was 6 am when this hand happened.
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08-21-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Hrmmmm
Also, a player like her will check a flush board and then shove a pair or two pair to a bet. It is a spew of sorts. She may be protecting herself from one heart hands by shoving.
That's what I also thought. I'm actually very good at folding when I'm beat. I guess that is the way to play against a player like me, to make it look like a protection. I don't hate my call, but I kinda snap called and I hate that I didn't take a minute to think. I guess I was tired of laying down strong hands (correctly) for the past 2 sessions and thought this time it's mine.
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08-21-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Ofigella
That's what I also thought. I'm actually very good at folding when I'm beat. I guess that is the way to play against a player like me, to make it look like a protection. I don't hate my call, but I kinda snap called and I hate that I didn't take a minute to think. I guess I was tired of laying down strong hands (correctly) for the past 2 sessions and thought this time it's mine.
Yeah, players that fold well get pissed when they pay off LAGgy play but it's inevitable that you're going to occasionally call a disguised hand and lose. If you play well and win more than you lose in spots like this then that's really what you need to be concerned about. You cannot be exactly correct in each spot. You can try, but you'll never get there.

I wouldn't be too hard on yourself for snapping. It is a snap type call but for getting some type of read that absolutely tells you she has a boner of a hand. It would be a dangerous fold.

I guess the one lesson from this hand that you can learn is to get a read, first.

Last edited by Hrmmmm; 08-21-2017 at 12:19 PM.
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08-21-2017 , 12:33 PM
I suppose if you could determine that she's the type of player that will check-reshove only a flush or combine that thought with a read, then you could fold. Like I alluded to, and you know, it's a fold that you need to be careful about or else you'll find yourself folding out hands that you shouldn't.
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08-21-2017 , 01:56 PM
Fold pre. LAGs are the worst players to play suited connectors/one gappers against because they're less likely to have a strong hand that can pay you off when you do bink.

As played snap call flop. You can't play 64s then fold when you hit the flush.
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08-21-2017 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Fold pre. LAGs are the worst players to play suited connectors/one gappers against because they're less likely to have a strong hand that can pay you off when you do bink.

As played snap call flop. You can't play 64s then fold when you hit the flush.
And then you pay them off when they have 62o on A62 😀 I think I play well in position against lags so I tend to cold call suited connectors and pairs. I'm usually very laggy but not when I'm playing against a maniac, not sure if she's that but seemed to be a gambler, I didn't play that long to find out. I know that she was 2 buy ins down in 30-60 minutes and that's why I played the way I played. I thought that AA, KK, QQ, 88, KQ, QJ, AQ is a big part of her range, maybe with 1 heart because I thought that she thought I have Ah (I knew that the small stack had it when he moved in). I play the way she played when the night is good and the table is right. This night I was not playing my A or even B game, so this happened. As of now, I'm a professional 1/2 grinder because I don't have a big enough bankroll for 2/5. I have some other passive income that covers my living expenses + $4k bankroll.
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08-21-2017 , 02:17 PM
Fold pre > 3b > call pre

As played obviously you have to call. If you're flatting low s1g's here your image is much more likely weak passive than tight aggressive too.
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08-21-2017 , 02:18 PM
That was for the person who asked if I'm a winning player. But last session I had set over set, full over full, and this flush over flush. I just can't wait for my upswing, it's been so long since the last time.
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08-21-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ofigella
I'm asking for advice as played. Please.
When you post here posters aren't ignoring any part of the hand. You're getting advice on every street. Her sizing is just too big to call pre and have room to maneuver post-flop.

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Originally Posted by Ofigella
That's what I also thought. I'm actually very good at folding when I'm beat. I guess that is the way to play against a player like me, to make it look like a protection. I don't hate my call, but I kinda snap called and I hate that I didn't take a minute to think. I guess I was tired of laying down strong hands (correctly) for the past 2 sessions and thought this time it's mine.
Be careful about folding too much. If you rarely call with the worst hand you're not making enough thin calls and laying down winners too often.

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As of now, I'm a professional 1/2 grinder because I don't have a big enough bankroll for 2/5. I have some other passive income that covers my living expenses + $4k bankroll.
I don't know about your specific situation, but playing professionally on a $4k roll is generally pretty dubious.
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08-21-2017 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
When you post here posters aren't ignoring any part of the hand. You're getting advice on every street. Her sizing is just too big to call pre and have room to maneuver post-flop.
A) The choice to play the hand is a subjective opinion to which you cannot and do not have the totality of facts. You don't who was playing in an exact sense, how long they've been playing, hand histories, etc. There are a myriad of variables that could make his choice the so-called "correct" one. It also isn't a bad idea to speculate in this situation once in a while just to appear looser. There are as few of things as profitable as turning over 64s and then getting dealt a few decent hands for which you have widened your perceived range extensively, especially @ BU.


B) If he doesn't want pre-flop advice then he is pretty much not going to get it from most respectable posters.
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08-21-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ofigella
I'm usually very laggy but not when I'm playing against a maniac, not sure if she's that but seemed to be a gambler, I didn't play that long to find out.
Asian players are usually gamblers. It is a cultural thing.
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08-21-2017 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
LAGs are the worst players to play suited connectors/one gappers against because they're less likely to have a strong hand that can pay you off when you do bink.
While this isn't stupid, it is too large of generalization. She sounded plenty aggressive enough to hang herself on TPBK or less, as many LAGs do. Many LAGS are not particularly good players when one undermines their aggression. If he beats her this hand, he may win much more money off her although it does sound like she was hit pretty hard which makes her shove a bit stronger.

Last edited by Hrmmmm; 08-21-2017 at 05:25 PM.
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08-21-2017 , 05:24 PM
It's not really up for debate, the best pf play is to fold w these stack sizes.
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