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07-31-2014 , 10:07 AM
V1 Just bought back in for $400 have played many sessions with him, he is easy money and will stack off with AK or a pair.

V2 $2,700 Also have played many sessions with him, he calls lose pre and will make bad calls on draws. He just went on a heater and grew his stack from $400 to just under $3000 in 5 hands.

V3 $800 first time playing with him hes on 3rd re buy. His play is erratic and seems inexperienced at table.

Hero $1,800 At this particular session I am playing TAG but don't think any of the villains in hand pay enough attentions to others play to know. I think V1 and V2 see me as a good player because I have played many sessions with them and have taken a decent amount of money from them both.

V2 calls UTG +1, V1 raises to $35 from middle, I call from CO with 22, V3 calls in SB and V2 calls. Flop is 8 6 2 rainbow V3 checks, V2 bets $50, V1 calls, I call, V3 raises to $285, V2 snap calls, V1 folds and hero?
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07-31-2014 , 10:13 AM
FOLD PRE.

AP, snap call. You might be behind V3 so raising will get it heads up only with him. Your goal at this point is to milk V2.

In all seriousness, fold this preflop. You are trying to setmine against a PFR who only has $400 to start? No bueno.
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07-31-2014 , 10:16 AM
With the reads you provided I'm not clicking a fold button. No option seems best though. It really sucks because if you raise its for value against $800 stack and you're probably bluffing vs the $2700 stack.
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07-31-2014 , 10:19 AM
pre flop is a clear fold, unless you are pretty sure you can win a big pot against V2 alot when you hit. the problem is his limping range is weak and he has to hit and be willing to play a big pot with one pair. raise flop the first time around. flat flop raise as played, you dont want to give your hand away. plus V3 is likely pushing turn anyways.
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07-31-2014 , 10:20 AM
I don't think we should fold pre in position. Limper is probably going to call which gives us decent implied odds and we can still win the pot in position a lot when we don't hit a set.

Easy call as played. Never folding.
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07-31-2014 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CohibaBehike
With the reads you provided I'm not clicking a fold button. No option seems best though. It really sucks because if you raise its for value against $800 stack and you're probably bluffing vs the $2700 stack.
we're bluffing if we reraise flop? even against a tight range of 86 and higher sets, we are ahead. he has so many worse hands in his range and 75, 97 are open ended. flatting seems best though because you dont want to give either villain reason to fold now, especially when one villain has a big portion in already and is likely shoving turn
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07-31-2014 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CohibaBehike
With the reads you provided I'm not clicking a fold button. No option seems best though. It really sucks because if you raise its for value against $800 stack and you're probably bluffing vs the $2700 stack.
I don't even.....
If you think you are bluffing with bottom set here it's just wrong. I don't think raising is optimal but it's not turning our hand into a bluff lol. Even if we were we would be trying to get him fold 2 possible hands that he never folds. He never folds those hands because both of our ranges are wider than just sets (which is the same reason we should be trying to figure out how to stack both of them instead of being scared that we are beat)
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