Two limps to hero (1k) on HJ who finds AA and makes it 25. BB calls so its 4way.

Flop Q96

Hero bets 65 and it folds to thr second limper to my direct right who makes it 165. V covers

Villain knows me pretty well and probably thinks I am loose. The thing is, i am loose when ppl are tight and vice versa, as i usually just try and stay close to GTO and i think i have a better intuitive sense of the math than most. I can usually count pot odds and equity vs calling range subconsciously. When i guesstimate in- game i usually find im spot on when i check it later. So if you are playing 12% of hands like v, i will play 20% vs you and will appear to be a loose player to u

Villain just simply plays too tight so i play loose vs him. He isnt terrible but he isnt good either. He hangs out with a few of the grinders and i have overheard his poker speak while on smokebreak and i get the feeling he thinks he is better than he actually is which i guess is true with everyone.

Hero makes it 300 and v quickly flats

Turn is 8 and v checks, hero checks it back

River 4

V bets 450

Im looking at the board and i think i only lose to JTs. What do you think?

Villain plays too tight...so we 3bet his flop c/r in a four way pot with one pair?...??????

And just lol @ being spot on and GTO at 2/5. Is this some sort of joke?

Thanks for the advice...anyone else?

V checked the turn so what is your point? I checked the turn back so this is a pot control blocker value raise thats gonna get a tight player to snap check most turns and see rivers cheaper.

But i guess you think you are better than u actually are too

Let the grown ups talk plz

Villain plays too tight...so we 3bet his flop c/r in a four way pot with one pair?...??????

And just lol @ being spot on and GTO at 2/5. Is this some sort of joke?

Hahaha cicakman. love ya too bro

Ok i guess i will just ask about the flop play. I suppose you guys are all lol folding? Flatting and folding turns? Flatting any runout?

Didnt think the flop reraise was even an issue and i really dont want to discuss it since i feel its optimum and std gto so w/e

Pre is too small. At least 30.

Why do you want to 3-bet flop when you have position and just an overpair? You're turing AA into a bluff. Let him keep bluffing or value betting worse, and possibly avoid getting stacked when he has you crushed.

Umm, i thought flop play was completely standard and purely correct. Lets just say its never a mistake to raise with the likely best hand and leave it there

Im not here to give lessons on the flop play, Im here to discuss villains range at river. I think its extremely narrow and possibly has no pure bluffs

Lmao good one, bro

Lmao your flop play is nowhere near optimum nor GTO. No one asked for lessons on flop play either

Ok well, v NEVER has the nuts and is too tight imo to 4bet/jam his open enders so im safely raise folding here and charging him.when i have the best hand and im laying a price where folding is always incorrect. His hands should be completely indifferent to folding and calling and he only raises bottom set, that is the only combo that beats me otf and i doubt he even raises that so im actually almost never being 4bet otf and its an easy fold when he does. When he does jam flop its always gomna be exactly pocket 66. You wont see 99 or QQ in his hand ever. His limp call range is exactly low pairs and SCs

He never plays Q9 or 69 pre so he never has 2p. That means i have the best hand most of the time

Lesson over

River?

Does the player c/raise TP like KQs for information?

His l/c pre means he mostly has 66 or 99 and maybe JTs/87s for bluffs (player dependent). Out of those, you only beat 87s now.

I understand you're 3b flop for information/blocker betting, but you are ending up paying $150+$450 more by the river anyway even after turn went c/c. So I don't like it. If you're going to do this, I like blocker betting small again OTT to make him check river.

Standard would be to fold flop OR flat flop/evaluate turn.

Great lesson there. Really insightful, bro. I'll remember to 3b with AA next time I'm in a similar situation!

Should have never gotten to the river this way, but more likely a fold

Sounds like you have it all figured out. Why are you asking for advice?

I"m checking back all Kings and 8s ott because JTs gets there. Checking back Q also. Betting all other cards prob

Imo JT is all that beats me.

Call or fold?

@mikestarr...i hate people that post hands seeking advice but never give it out. Every time you post a response its a snarky comment and not advice. Im not into selfish a- holes. This is give and take, if you are posting hands, give something back. I"ve seen a lot of very gracious and honest responses to your threads and you give back nothing

Do you have an opinion on river or not?

I just flat the flop raise and eval turn action. As played I think we're ahead pretty close to 0% of the time otr.

I also think JT isn't the only hand we lose to because I think he has Q9, JT, 66, and possibly 99 if he can limp that pre.

He has the goods. If he's unsure , he'd check for showdown value. Slow playing a straight or set misses out on a lot of value as you are likely to check behind


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OP, I don't think your attitude on the flop action (which is 100% NOT standard or "purely correct") is helping you get genuine responses.

As for mine: I think the flop 3bet is awful. You say he never has two pair, won't 4bet ship draws, and somehow never has the nuts? You really don't think a V who "plays too tight" might overlimp 99? 99/66/Q9s are all completely in his range. A flop 3bet doesn't get called by worse and doesn't fold out better. If you were going to try to get value from exactly JT or 87, you sized terribly because you gave V direct odds to hit the draw.

AP, river is a fold. You say you only lose to JT...I say one pair beats nothing from V's value range given this action. And there's like exactly one missed draw.

This.

Hand that you trail: JTs, 98, 99, 66 all fit the action. 19 hands
Hands you beat: AQ is the only hand I think fits the action 6 combos.
6 of 25 is 24%. $450 would be 30% of the pot. Unless Villain would bet KQ here or turn 87 into a bluff I think this is a fold.

Flop 3 bet is horrendous. Fundamentally awful I would say. There are a million better hands to bluff with.

see, the point is, you can´t say you are "close to GTO", write something like the sentence above and don´t expect to get snarky remarks. Also, on the surface you seek advice but defend your play rigorously.

Pretty sure the GTO flop play would be to call.
Pretty sure if a passive limp/caller c/raises me after a pretty big cbet on a board like this in live poker the best play is to fold flop.

To your main question, if your read that he has JT or nothing on the river is right, it´s obv a snap call. But I doubt that read is correct and I also don´t see how it fits with your previous read of him playing too tight.

edit: just read your responses, dunno why you are Lebrowning around here, people are too nice to you, mein spielsüchtiger freund!

If your read is he never has qq, 66 or 99 or any two pair hand and you seem pretty certain of this read, he either has AQ or the straight. So I guess you call or if you love variance, shove and hope he has AQ AND will call. Why even post thread if you have him soul read?

There are no "optimum and std" gto solutions for multiway pots. They don't exist.

This is known.

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Insofar as your play is concerned, well... the closest thing we have to any supercomputer attempting to solve postflop play, multiway, with black aces, is Poker Snowie. And you really won't like her answer:

Check the flop.

If you do bet the flop (the EV is pretty close), and its check raised, Snowie folds.

It's like when the Wun-Wun was re-animated by the Night King...

Aw, hell no!

I agree with this.sort of...he raises AQ pre and i block so his range has no AQ, kq or qj

This is definitely not true. John Nash proved that there are n- 1 inflection points in a multiplayer zero sum game. There are 3 GTO solutions in the hand OTF. I imagine they are check, bet call and 3bet. Bet/fold is stupid

All of the plays are correct but mine is best because v never limps 99 and QQ or 69 Q9. Hands in his limp call rangethat connect are JTs 66 QJs QTs KQs 89s 78s

Middle pair never chk raises

So fuggetabout flop. Im not apologizing for raising with best hand

So at river

QJs QKs JTs thats it for value...78s as a bluff

Villaim isnt good imo btw. Might not think betting Qx for value is turning his hand into a,bluff