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2/5 big river bet from hyper-LAG 2/5 big river bet from hyper-LAG

03-05-2016 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
The board is 884. We're not turbo mucking 66 against a maniac. We know we're ahead of him on the flop almost every time, the problem comes with our strategy to beat him, which is to just become a station and let him barrel away. Basically every single turn and river card will always be bad for us, so we're just gambling on the likelihood of him having total air, which he is going to have sometimes. It's just that if he rivers a ten we're going to pay that off too using this strategy.
You are likely ahead of one of the players for the time being for some as-yet determined price. Things get tricky when you account for the two players left to act, the two cards yet to come, and the two streets of betting we have to face OOP to a maniac and (potentially) other players. A hand that only improves on 2 turn/river cards (discounting the BDGSSD to a 4-straight on a paired board) does not play well in such a situation.

We have to fade a myriad of cards and actions for us to win the pot with a call here ... to the point that I wouldn't be surprised if our 2-out full house draw contributes more to the EV of a call than the scant permutations where we win at SD unimproved do.
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03-05-2016 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KKingDavid
Villain is hyper-LAG 30-ish guy who has been running all over the table. Playing close to 2/3 of all hands, keeps showing down winners (called $35 pre with 52s, flopped 2P and cracked AA, and multiple similar hands). Player on my left is commented about him being so lucky, always seems to connect with the board, always ends up with monster stack. Around $2,000.

Hero is MAWG playing TAG/nit this session. One prior hand with V, before he started his heater, I had QQ, he called $30 pre, then open shoved $130 on J-high flop. He had J5o. MHIG. $600.

Hero is UTG+2 with 6s6c. Limps. Plan is strictly set-mining.

After a couple more limpers, V raises to $25 OTB. Hero calls, two other callers.

Flop ($100): 8s 8h 4h. Checks the V who bets $90. Hero calls, others fold. This flop misses his range most of the time. His range for the button raise is extremely wide.

Turn ($280): 7h. Hearts arrive. Check, check.

River ($280): 2c. Hero checks. Nothing worse is going to call if I bet. Not confident anything better will fold. V bets $180.

Hero?

Sure looks like he's trying to buy this pot. Try as I might to keep this pot small, I will have put in nearly half of my stack by calling here.
GRUNCH

Preflop is fine as is an open raise. Check/fold flop. Remember, the plan was to set-mine? Since set-mining preflop was profitable that means we can check/fold flop.

Here's additional reason to check/fold flop: If we are winning, we only have like 75% equity at most since most of his bluffs will be two overcards. If we are losing, we only have 8% equity. Additionally by calling we allow him to play the rest of the hand very profitably and easily and bluff correctly, putting us in tough spots.

As played on the river, incredibly easy call. We need to call 61% of the time or more to stop him from profitably bluffing ATC. Also we only need to win 28% of the time to breakeven.
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03-05-2016 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubey
He will fold some hands that beat you AND occasionally hero call with A high? Does not compute.
It does when you realize that he's just missed his nfd+overs (notice I didn't write all Ahi calls).
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03-05-2016 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
I highly doubt he will call a crai otr with ace high like ever.
He's a hyper lag playmaster. I think Ahi is well within possible calldown range. Lags love to herocall otr because they talk themselves into putting V on THEIR fos range in that spot.
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03-06-2016 , 06:32 AM
I fold flop not because we are behind but because villain can just make our life miserable with position and aggression. I like our preflop plan of set mining, I'm going to take a stand in a better spot.
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03-06-2016 , 06:40 AM
idk if results got posted, but i call it off. if he has TT+ here and tried to get value idrgaf, wp, looks like he needs to get fancy leveling here for us to give up w any pair/maybe even ace high ever

Last edited by sungar78; 03-06-2016 at 06:50 AM. Reason: just read through, idrgaf=idontreallygivea****, wp op
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03-06-2016 , 07:04 AM
what is his bluff frequency? is he just bombing away with weak and strong hands? or does he only bet when he has something?

as played, and if his bluff frenquency is low, fold. if he has air in some of his range, call.


same goes for the flop. if he has lots of complete air bluffs in his range, just call the flop.

but if he is value betting the flop with something like A4, shove on him. turn your hand into a bluff and rep an 8. SuperLags give away lots of equity by betting when they know they are behind, but they can overcome this by betting big when they know they are ahead, making this type of play longterm profitable against a passive table.

but when other players play back at them and make them lay down hands when they are actually ahead, then they are losers very quickly.
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03-06-2016 , 07:11 AM
^^also passively calling down against a super lag/even acting mildly uncomfortable (while making a silent pact to ourselves to never fold no matter how scary things get bc we asked for the money in the middle and then later hitting instagram with $100 bill pictures like floyd mayweather) and further provoking super lag... tho?
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03-06-2016 , 07:57 AM
Not to nitpck here, but is this guy even a LAG? Does this guy know what he's doing or is he just an aggro maniac (fish) whose actions are pretty random alltogether? You mentioned he only had a stack of 160 before his heater began, which suggests he's a fish.

Anyway, I think the flop is a trivial fold and as played I would call the river.
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