villian is probably best player in room. always has a monster stack

one of those players who doesnt seem to have tendencies. ive seen him raise 100% of hands at fishy tables and ive seen him play 12/10 tight vs good competition

ive also seen him call 3 streets with bottom pair and be good and seen him fold 3rd set face up on the river, so consider him an expert

that being said, he respects me and doesnt get too far out of line against me..he usually has bigger fish to fry and we have rarely if ever tangled for big pots. i prefer to keep pots small vs him and he prob feels the same.

9 handed

UT1 limps
hero HJ (1500) raises to 25 with 9T
v CO (covers) calls, UTG1 calls

467

UTG1 ck, hero bets 50, v calls, UTG1 folds

turn J

hero bets??? 105, v calls

river Q

hero?

X/f

I would have sized flop smaller - you really don't wanna get 4x'ed at that sizing with as much equity as you have.

i think it's a pretty close spot. on one hand we block a ton of the draws we want villain to have, like 89s, JsTs, QsTs, our exact hand, etc.... but on the other hand i expect villain to raise sets/nuts on this board even though we are quite deep.

i kind of prefer a 2/3 PSB here if villain respects us and views us as solid. you make it sound like he thinks. hands we represent are JJ/QQ as well as 77 considering we bet pretty big on the turn. maybe roughly 275. i'm targeting 88-TT type hands if he is sticky enough to call turn. 55, 75s type hands; we also can't discount some FD combos like JsXs. He may be reluctant to fold QsXs type hands but if he really views us as that solid he might let it go but obv not targeting top pair hands directly here.

i think i also x/f a decent amount of the time.

Sorry didn't see flop was 3-way. Flop sizing fine. I just don't see this villain ever folding a better hand often enough at the river sizing necessary to make him fold.

He's got all the bigger flush draw combos, many of which paired up on the turn and river. He's also got 88/55 that will likely be sticky depending on how likely he thinks you are to raise all pairs preflop and thus have all possible sets. He would really have to believe you'd go for thin value with AQ/KQ/AJ/KJ type hands to consider folding imo.

hero bets 225, v shrugs and calls within 5 seconds

i hate betting the river and at the same time i love it

what do you think villian had?

88 with a spade. Your sizing was way too small on the river to carry any semblance of FE.

but do we want him to fold if we conected...what if river is the q of spades...you betting 275? you think he is gonna fold fir 275 and call 225 on this run out?

i domt know but i was trying to think of best price for my made hands and obv there are a lot of river cards i didnt want him folding and i think i price my sets the same price for my value. i can barrell 3 streets with a set or some other hands i dont want him to fold to

anyway, i hate the bet on river, it wasnt necessary and he is too hard to bluff, he played his hand really well tho

So what was his hand...

i will send a red chip to the person who comes up with it first and 2 reds to the oe thatt can name the suits

gl

there is a hint in what villain said in the five seconds it took for his chips to reach the middle. i might have to break it out later if mo one gets the right answer

QJ of spades? This guy sounds like someone you don't want to be bluffing too often

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haha...villian said, "well, im beat by QJ of spades" so nope, not QJss

gl figuring it out

What are V's pf and flop tendencies and how does he respond to you? Would he 3bet with AJs? JJ/TT? KQs?

OTF, he's probably check raising 2P, and maybe sets, though if he thinks you're gonna be barreling, it's not like you have many 8's and 5's in your range, so he can just call down unless he's afraid of those cards killing his action. Would he check raise with NFDs? If not, when he flats flop, his range is pretty much just straights (does he even have 85 or 53?) and TT-66, NFDs, King/Queen high FDs, maybe 75, 65, 55, 54. I think the latter draws fold when you bet the turn (if he isn't raising them). I mean, he can't think that he has implied odds to call if the OESD completes.

So by the river, his range is TT-66, 44, NFDs, KsJs, QsJs, and 6s5s. Am I missing hands?

(LOL...LOL !! )
How come you sending us $5 or $10 for helping you become a better player when on the other hand you donate to villain's bankroll $405 (27% of the effective stacks) for the entire show. But the worst of all worst was the desperation river bluff. That one I must say: It was very impressive play.

If you think about how many players would make or call large bets to hit draws with just eight or nine outs on the turn, you begin to see how poorly some cash game players play.

As6s

Some JsXs would make sense. AsJs or KsJs.

AJss or AsJx that binks equity on turn vs a range that has lots of hands that shouldnt bet turn.

Which makes me think JTdd for backdoor that picks up equity on turn and you have 0 queens on river.

But then I think it would help to maybe have some hands that block set combos on flop to make this call so something 78dd, 67hh, 56ss.

Im not trying to win the bet here, im just listing possible holdings and reasons why they are possible let someone else take that offer.

I'm not sure what your first paragraph means. Villain didn't bet turn. He called it, so it is irrelevant whether those hands should bet turn when checked to. But, also, if I were villain with AsJs and hero checked to me on the turn, I think I would bet it. I don't think I could have AsJx. That seems like a bad flop call 3 handed here to me. [EDIT: Never mind. Just realized what your first paragraph means I think. AsJx would seem like bad flop calls though.]

JdTd or any diamond overcard type hands seem like really bad calls on the flop 3way on this board to me also. 8d7d is fine; that's probably a bad river call though.

Floating diamonds all freaking day this deep. JdXd is a really good guess. J8 or AJ.

Given the verbal AdJd seems perfect. I'd table change.

Terrible flop call; not even closing action.

This guy could be the exception, but most of the the time guys "always have a monster stack", they aren't very good. They are just LAGs who play lots of big pots and eventually will have a big stack, but they are also sitting with a big stack and still stuck a lot of the time.

nah this guy is well kmown in the room and he is way too young to have 10 orange chips in his pocket...all of his money is from poker

when you guys figure out what he had you will realize hiw good he is

note: i'm one of the better players in the room and known as a winning player, (not bragging) and he would know im the best and most aggressive player at this tabke from his perspective

I'm leaning joker something now. So sick how often the best players are dealt wild cards.

LOL get em.

Dude no one wants to sit here and try to guess his hand this badly. We were in theory doing that when we were analyzing the hand for you.