2/5 vegas strip

Hero - 2 hours at table, stack of 1260
Villain - been there longer in 2000 with a stack of 1500
LAG - but skillful and very position aware.

Hero UTG +3 K K

Opens to 25. HJ calls, Villain on btn raises to 65.

Blinds fold me. Raise to 165 (having played with this player before I know Villain is very capable of coming back over the top to 500.)

He calls.

Flop(355) is J 8 3

What flats my raise pre? JJ,AJss,AJo,10s,9s,8s,109ss

Had to hit somewhere near his range and I feel its not JJ.

Lead out for 175. enticing lead I know. I feel it gives room for his overshove.

V calls

Turn(700) Q

Bet or check? Do I want to play for stacks at this point with 920 behind.

There are many river cards we won't like.

We beat most of the hands Villain would raise on the button.

We are OOP.

If we are not check/folding our KK we gotta bet maybe $350-$400.

If we are folding to an overshove we might reconsider betting $350-$400 but then we should have reconsidered $175 on the flop before we got ourselves here.

As played we should not give a free card, $350-$400 it is.

So if I lead for 350-400 and he shoves for my 550-600 more. What choice do I have?
Plus checking to him gives Villain control of the pot. He is betting 90% of his range including all air and semi bluffs.

we've got 1/3rd of our stack so far in the pot. Anymore money in and we're committed. You want to commit with just an overpair?

I check the turn. Let them commit. Call if they bet. Tank and fold if they go all in.

I'm new any criticism is welcome

I don't want to commit, call off, or give up control with just my over pair.

Turn is a standard check

Some of those are mutually exclusive.

If you bet on the turn you're committing. If you check you're giving up control. Unless you plan to check raise, I guess.

Its a standard check? He bets 350 and I just fold at this point with my tail between my legs?

I cant c/c. If im willing to call off 350 I need to be willing to play for it all. Same with betting I need to be the one applying pressure vs this range.

My hope with checking is he checks behind but like I said I figure he bets 90%

So many cards kill my river action and I just have to give up.

Sounds like you're scared money

Checking maximizes overall ev imo

Against aggressive villains I might consider a c/c down line, yes sometime we will lose value by playing passive/defensive but not much IMHO.
I think he's calling with a wider range IP
A10S+, PP and probably all IO hands 56s+ and maybe even some garbage but the latter would depend on the player and whether he's having a bad/losing session and just wants to see a lot of flops IP.

Regardless, the flop bet is too small

Bet larger to set up a turn shove that can more potentially be called by a wider range than hands that beat you

Not sure what he had there or how to max that spot.. I understand my sizing on the flop could have been more to the 225+ range but not much more. I knew he likes to jam it up to 450-500 there with aj,10s,99s different OPP I would size differently but in this spot vs this guy 175 was a good bet

If villain is definitely a lag, this is like the perfect spot for the stack-a-donk, imo.

You know he is betting %90 of his range.

But you jam instead?

You think he will only call better when you jam. But did it anyway.

Been far better off check/raising for stacks then. At least get some value out of part of his range.

Scared money!!!!

Open shove is obviously bad. Since he's button his range is presumably wider.

I can only see c/c as good if he's going to bluff rivers a lot. Many rivers will be super scary.

I don't want to bet/call here. Takes a real sicko to put in the bluff here. Even though you're value range is aa and kk heavy. He has plenty of hands that will just call a turn bet.

Check shove is kind of interesting since you can trap some more money in. He might call some pear+good draw stuff since he'll be comitted.

Open shove is obviously pretty disastrous

Yeah I agree completely. It did however work to my advantage in the session. I was controlling the whole game when people know each hand they can play for their stacks.

2 orbits later I check raised oop with 45hh on a A36 bored. got flated by this same guy and turned the 7 and open overbet huge and he gave it all away with A10o.

Another thing nobody mentioned that I noticed is that your bet sizing is bad. Are you planning ahead for later streets? Ideally if you were taking lines where you end up open shoving you would leave yourself with a reasonable psb at the end. The 3b pre is small, the cbet on the flop is small too.

I agree. Normally my sizing is different. But knowing this player I was playing for him coming over the top which he does in these situations. Ive played pots like this with him multiple times. Its like he cant help but raise when I lead for 175 into the 350 pot. But, yes it was played bad and is why I posted.

Does that work with him? You said he was skillful, so I'd be worried that it looks like you are trying to induce, unless you do similar bets as bluffs v him too.

V could have flatted 99+ and probably AQ+. JJ is unlikely but OTT when we act we don't know if QQ, AA or AQdd, AKdd are in V's hand. Since V's flat range pre is probably weighted towards hands stronger than ours, a check/call is probably the most optimal.