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12-10-2013 , 01:16 PM
What's going on here with that A9s for a 3bet pf?

What not make the same move with 72. It makes no difference if is 72 or 83 or A9s. Actually the A9s has some equity and some value while the 72o type hands have equity when UTG at a tight table and you bring it for a raise. Anyway, I don't see the point of 3bet with A9s here or anywhere pf for that matter.
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12-10-2013 , 01:20 PM
btw, he was ACTING drunk and playing erratic, but after a couple hours, I noticed he was quite good at poker and his drunk act was just that, an ACT. Was his way of getting people to play light vs him.
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12-10-2013 , 02:35 PM
To be fair though, this really IS the worst hand I've ever played. The guy was acting drunk and playing weird, but stacking lots of chips at the same time.

I'd like to list my mistakes because I think I made so many in this hand.

1. Not recognizing that the drunken weird stuff he was doing was just an ACT. He was outplaying everyone at the table.

2. Too small pre to get enough folds, possibly bad 4bet. I'm not hating on myself too much for pre. If ATs is a profitable 4bet here, then A9s has to be close. I think pre deserves some more discussion. If 4betting why is this too small and what size do you use and why?
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12-10-2013 , 02:54 PM
what did he show up with? some random one pair hand that happened to beat you im assuming?
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12-10-2013 , 03:04 PM
JQ/J10 most likely
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12-10-2013 , 03:15 PM
results shouldn't matter but JJJ44.

I think the turn bet is the worst play in the hand. The reason to check the flop is the same as the reason to check the turn.

I'm not sure if the river is a good call or not either.

Honestly, I still like my play pre because it's a decent hand and there isn't a reason why I shouldn't want to play it IP vs a loose pf range. He's re-raising about 20%-30% of hand in my estimation pre. Give him about 60-80% on the button, and at least 20% from sb.

Also he checked the set twice on a drawy board, so I got to the turn the way I wanted to get to it. I immediately thought check, but didn't listen to myself.

The flop is interesting because the reason to check the turn and flop are the same imo.
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12-10-2013 , 03:29 PM
lol at his checks with JJJ on that board.
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12-10-2013 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by attentionnoone
results shouldn't matter but JJJ44.

I think the turn bet is the worst play in the hand. The reason to check the flop is the same as the reason to check the turn.

You should be betting the flop because this is a 4b hand and you're the PF and this flop is an IDEAL c-bet situation. Would you have bet the flop with A9? What was your plan if you'd just completely whiffed (which isn't far from what you did). And, no, the turn bet is the second worst play in the hand because...

I'm not sure if the river is a good call or not either.

The river call is full blown AIDS. You got c/r OTT - it sucks, I know, but it happens. The call was ok, because you've got position and a nut draw and are plenty deep enough if you hit. But calling the river bet with 2nd pair here is just bad. What hands do you think you're beating? If you'd raised the river, it would have been a better play - not good, but better IMO.

Honestly, I still like my play pre because it's a decent hand and there isn't a reason why I shouldn't want to play it IP vs a loose pf range. He's re-raising about 20%-30% of hand in my estimation pre. Give him about 60-80% on the button, and at least 20% from sb.

PF was w/e IMO. Flatting or 4b are fine by me. I think the 4b should have been bigger though.

Also he checked the set twice on a drawy board, so I got to the turn the way I wanted to get to it. I immediately thought check, but didn't listen to myself.

It's not really that drawy of a board. It's a 4b pot, so you are very unlikely to have connected with the 2, 4 portion of the board and since he knows he has jacks, he doesn't really worry about the small amount of over cards, especially when you SHOULD be betting the flop anyway. Aside from the obvious front door s, it's really not a drawy board.

That being said, he should be betting too.


The flop is interesting because the reason to check the turn and flop are the same imo.

I guess you can say the reasons for checking the flop and turn are the same, but that doesn't make it the correct decision.
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12-11-2013 , 12:15 PM
well, I guess if I play this poorly post flop then pre IS a mistake, so I made a mistake on EVERY STREET. Yippee!
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12-11-2013 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by attentionnoone
btw, he was ACTING drunk and playing erratic, but after a couple hours, I noticed he was quite good at poker and his drunk act was just that, an ACT. Was his way of getting people to play light vs him.
That dude acting drunk is for birds. The amount of effort and concentration to avoid giving oneself up is much greater then playing relaxed and doing the correct thing. Making fool of yourself is really ridiculous. Sometime I see dudes trying this trick, I actually take advantage of it because it becomes very apparent what he's up to.
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12-11-2013 , 08:07 PM
I am so confused. If you decide to check that flop why bother betting he turn? Just check and see what he does on the river. Basically your hand is a bluff catcher with its on he river and I def don't like the river call but what ever.
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12-11-2013 , 08:31 PM
Pre-flop this looks pretty ok....provided your not 4betting for value......i seriously doubt that any villan is calling a 4bet with worse than a9.....they might 5bet worse.....but calling means they probably have something.....so prob like 99+ aq+...no kk or aa.....
Flop missed bet is horrible....as I just mentioned we are behind his full 4bet calling range, but have decent equity, we have to bet and are happy enough if villan calls or folds.....if he raises its sick but im pretty sure we have to go with the hand so 3bet....
Turn....so why are we now betting when our equity decreased dramaticly against anything he can actually call this bet with? We have a decent sdv hand now that is atleast ahead of the non-pair hands in his range....really really straightforward check on turn....or call if villan had bet.
River.....we have sdv, we are never making villan fold better, we can catch some a high bluffs villan makes, although im not convinced any villan is going to bet ak here as they will realise we arnt folding anything that beats ak....
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