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Old 03-13-2019, 03:32 PM   #1
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2/5 Best Turn/River Plan

V(50s) WG, seems like a rec player. I have not been to the casino in a while so do not know if V is a regular player here or not since the game began changing (for the better) at this casino. Since sitting down, opened a few hands and made a cbets but no show down hands.

To V H might be average? Pretty quietly sitting down and minding my own business.

H(700) AA
V(covers)

folds to V in CO, 20, H on BU made 55, HU.
F (110): TT4 V x/c 60
T (230): Qh

Plan for the turn/river? Have A is bad in this instance, blocks all remaining suited broadways and the other random AxCx V could be opening from lp.

check back turn? b/f?
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:40 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5 Best Turn/River Plan

More pre, flop is whatever, bet turn, jam river, get nit rolled by JTo, leave casino, drown sorrows in chocolate frosty.
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:42 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5 Best Turn/River Plan

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More pre, flop is whatever, bet turn, jam river.
Pre could be more for value, since v opened from co thought i could be slightly under 3x and hope to keep his range wider.
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:48 PM   #4
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Re: 2/5 Best Turn/River Plan

First of all, I think you should 3! a bit bigger pre.
Here’s my thought process in this spot on the turn:
It’s pretty likely that you’re only getting one more street of solid value here, and the turn is the much better spot to go for it, rather than checking back here. There’s a lot of rivers here that hurt your hand much more than V’s range, even with the Ac blocker.
I’d be going for fat value on this turn, such that if V plays back at you here, he’s committing his stack. I think $150-ish makes most sense, and then you’re reevaluating on the river whether or not to fire again. This becomes a river card/V dependent spot.
Some players are only capable of playing back at you with monsters in this spot and this generic description of V sounds like this type.
But I personally would check back a decent number of rivers here if I’m called on the turn.
You don’t want to value own yourself here and you’re almost specifically targeting KK and A-Q (which you double block) if you’re betting this river hard again.

My other reason for betting this turn hard is to get the river checked to you more often than not, so that you make the decision of what’s best IP, rather than reacting to V.
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:48 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5 Best Turn/River Plan

Preflop sizing is too small. Not sure why you think he can't have KcQc, KcJc, or QcJc. Assume for now that the player pool plays pretty straightforwardly in 3bet pots, b/f and don't overthink it.
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:49 PM   #6
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More pre, flop is whatever, bet turn, jam river, get nit rolled by JTo, leave casino, drown sorrows in chocolate frosty.
lol
This works too
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:54 PM   #7
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Re: 2/5 Best Turn/River Plan

Definitely more pre. Flop is fine. Turn is a bet/fold ~$125 vs. an average rec player. Evaluate river.
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:58 PM   #8
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Pre could be more for value, since v opened from co thought i could be slightly under 3x and hope to keep his range wider.
You have no info on the guy thusfar. If anything, size up otb, but 65 minimum. If that means you get to play less often but against a stronger range then great. If he folds, he folds, but that might be happening anyway with the same range of hands no matter how you size it.

AP smash and smash again, and lose to JT, but be sure to get fries to dip in that frosty for max misery.
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Old 03-13-2019, 04:11 PM   #9
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Next level strat going on in this thread.
Wish there was a Wendy’s on my drive home.
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Bet turn shove river. Hope for low bricks.
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:45 AM   #11
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Re: 2/5 Best Turn/River Plan

I'd check back turn with the Ac blocker.

Don't know the opponent so I normally give credit until proven otherwise. I think betting folds most of his hands, while a check might look like AK. Go for a 2nd street on river.

If he has TX/QQ, we've controlled the pot size.
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